Nick Kitchener wrote:
I also realized that the vast majority of vocal preppers / survivalists are really just gun nuts who are looking for a credible excuse to run around in the woods with their stockpile of weapons.
Stacy Witscher wrote:Got to say - that kind of gendered response - female vs. male preppers is part of the issue. Prepping has a lot of (in my opinion) negative connotations. I already prepare for at least a year of food, just because, and have done so for a long time, mostly because of an undependable spouse. I never knew when he was going to come home and whether or not it was going to be with money.
I'm a survivor, and have always done what is necessary. That being said, I'm older now, and am perfectly happy choosing to die.
Chris Kott wrote:I think the general premise that I don't like is the "...and there will be chaos..." assumption. Sure, it's great to be prepared, but why doesn't that go a step further, to engage the community around where you've chosen to settle, to strengthen the bonds of community so that the chaos doesn't happen?
This isn't an optimistic approach, but a proactive one. In my opinion, it's the logical conclusion to the line of thought that suggests that demonizing the other and preparing for the necessity to kill starving strangers is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Whatever else we're doing, we have to start telling the story of sameness, of pulling together, rather than telling the story of division and fear. So in our communities, and to those we see in our every day lives, that has to be the outward message.
Chris Kott wrote:Yes, and in a vacuum, I might agree. My suggestion isn't optimism. I am saying that there will only be chaos if we don't take steps to forestall or avoid it.
And mindsets that suggest that we can do nothing but prepare to murder our hungry neighbours only perpetuate the conditions that will cause it.
Bryant RedHawk wrote:Studies have shown that City Dwellers would not run to the countryside in a SHTF situation, instead they run to what they know, staying within the city and fighting each other for the necessities.
Dennis Bangham wrote:Many others may be made into slaves or killed outright.
Devin Lavign wrote:I but all 3 labels don't define me. I am a lot more than the sum of the labels one might give me.
Which brings me to this idea of a new label. That is in essence what prepper was. It was folks tired of the survivalist label who wanted a label with less baggage. Now prepper has a new set of baggage, mostly due to the horrible "reality" TV show. But how long before this new label Adapter becomes corrupted by elements that don't represent the intention but take over due to being the loudest voices?
Then I’d say I’m an adapter :) There is nothing for me to go back to, it was gone in the late 90s. This is it.
Ross Raven wrote: An Adapter accepts the apocalyptic future at hand and is Adapting there life now to flow through it and live in it...It's a full time gig
I beat the rush! But hey, I have experience points now! I know more of what doesn’t work and more of what doesn’t work for ME.
Dan Boone wrote: That crazy druid John Michel Greer used to advise us all to "Crash now and beat the rush." ... Crash while you can, and the dude at the garage sale thinks you're crazy for handing over that ten dollar bill.
I laughed myself silly, I love it! :)
F Agricola wrote: and they shall beat their swords into ploughshares and their spears into pruning hooks, hallelujah!
I’m tempted to try to draw that... Lovely visual!
Chris Kott wrote: permaculture in a ghillie suit
We have front row seats to the show of the century!
Lucrecia Anderson wrote: Plus due to a morbid curiosity, if something really cataclysmic happened it would probably be the most interesting event in my lifetime and I would want to stick around at least for a little while to see what happens.
That WHOLE post. Pretend I pasted it all. Every last word. Exactly, Ms Nicole, exactly!!
Nicole Alderman wrote: ...
Exactly. They are living the back side of SHTF. They have to adapt. That’s what more people need to do. You asked “is prepping an American thing?” It is, I think, due to the lack of it being a lifestyle that is just called “normal life” that it has to be an edgy weird thing, when it needs to just be normal life. You adapt, you prepare for winter, you prepare for a bad harvest, you don’t let your whole life be based on one crop, or one paycheck. You spread the risks, and adapt for whatever comes, knowing you have no other choice. Americans have mostly lost this, and so prepping is edgy and weird.
Justin Shropshire wrote: One point I'm trying to make is these folks are adapters through and through. ... If you get tossed out of your generational home, all you can do is adapt or perish.
Thank you! Added to my reading list!
Chris Kott wrote: the first three books in the Emberverse series by S.M. Stirling.
That whole post! I love your breakdown of the phases, it shows why people do the things they do, and also why others get ideas about surviving is, due to which level they are looking at, and which they inhabit. I look forward to seeing what we build as phase 5, I know it will not look like anything we have seen before on this planet. I hope it combines the best of all cultures and styles, and little to none of the worst. Awesome post, sir, my compliments!
Devin Lavign wrote: ...
Exactly!! I tell people I prepare for reality, the most obvious things first. Roving bands are hard to make plans for, not having grocery money is easy to plan for.
Tyler Ludens wrote: Or get very sick or lose their jobs. Two far more likely disasters than roving bands, in my opinion and experience.