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Blaine Clark wrote:I've noticed very little grass or other weeds in any of my well established 'choke patches too. Strawberries do very well along the edges and creep way into the patch, but I tear them up when I dig. There were two lambsquarters that popped up in the spring, but they only grew to about 16" - 20" while others around grew 4' - 6'. The first two years I had horseradish mixed in the Stampede patch and it did very well. The third year and after, it stunted badly and refused to spread. I had a nice bundle of Day lilies started where the Stampedes are, they keep popping up really well and I keep digging them up and moving them. Some stuff doesn't do well, while others don't seem to be affected. I'd try them around that Johnson grass to see how they do. You may not see much effect the first year or two, but by the third year they might just kick butt!
Diane Kistner wrote:
Hey, any experience with sunchokes and poison ivy? If they suppress poison ivy growth, I know exactly where I'd put them!
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Pearl Sutton wrote:I noticed I had no weeds under the sunchokes, if they are allelopathic, are they mean enough to take out Johnson Grass? That would ROCK. I have big patch in a spot chokes would LOVE, and I can't put anything else in there due to rowdy grass.
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kadence blevins wrote:I've been growing some in a small raised bed. Admittedly, it was not a great setup and mostly wood shavings from someone raised a bunch of chicks. With a few initial waterings and then complete abandonment they somehow managed to multiply. I then pulled them up in fall and forgot about them in the fridge. Planted them back late spring. Again, total abandonment. Last fall I harvested a lot more.
Then this year there was a family health scare, I was super busy with the sheep, the health scare continued, sheep drama,... And now it is getting to be winter weather and I admit.. The tubers are there in the container in the fridge having not been planted this year.
I'm planning to get some hogs in the spring and start turning some brushy woods into silvopasture. I will be seeding behind the sheep and pigs and am hoping to pop sunchokes through the area as well. More food for the pigs.
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Fredy Perlman wrote:
Sunchokes for erosion control + sacrificial deer barrier...
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Fredy Perlman wrote:All this talk of sunchokes going DEEP in sand has got me thinking.
I've got a sandy hillside that is subsiding towards a road. It's at least 4' deep of sand. Almost as bad, it's crowded with invasive blackberry. I wonder if I got sunchokes started on it, if they would perennialize and solve both problems? Do they ever spread down a slope? I'm planting oak through it as a long-term erosion solution, but that will obviously take years to establish. Deer come up through there and would keep the sunchokes browsed.
Sunchokes for erosion control + sacrificial deer barrier...
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Cécile Stelzer Johnson wrote:
kadence blevins wrote:I've been growing some in a small raised bed. Admittedly, it was not a great setup and mostly wood shavings from someone raised a bunch of chicks. With a few initial waterings and then complete abandonment they somehow managed to multiply. I then pulled them up in fall and forgot about them in the fridge. Planted them back late spring. Again, total abandonment. Last fall I harvested a lot more.
Then this year there was a family health scare, I was super busy with the sheep, the health scare continued, sheep drama,... And now it is getting to be winter weather and I admit.. The tubers are there in the container in the fridge having not been planted this year.
I'm planning to get some hogs in the spring and start turning some brushy woods into silvopasture. I will be seeding behind the sheep and pigs and am hoping to pop sunchokes through the area as well. More food for the pigs.
The hogs'rooting habits should help you really clear the area. Perhaps the fact that sunchokes have deep roots will save the sunchokes from getting *all* of them uprooted and devoured. This should give a chance to the sunchokes to regenerate? Will you be making several paddocks, just in case?
When you say "It was not a great setup", could you be more specific? What went wrong? Was the bed too shallow? too deep? with the chicken poop was it too rich in nitrogen and you got more green growth but few tubers? What kind of soil do you have there? "Inquiring people want to know"![]()
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Alex Arn wrote:They had roasted sunchokes at the office cafeteria one day this week which was probably my first time trying them. The gas that evening was epic
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Blaine Clark wrote:
FOL!! That's Fart Out Loud! Four ways to get rid of the gas producing fiber: Freeze for at least a week, cook for at least 6 hours (not very practical unless you've got a stew brewing in a crockpot), ferment them like sauerkraut, refrigerator pickles and Kimchi and the last way is to cook them with an acid such as vinegar or citric acid.
The fiber is called Inulin and those processes convert it into fructose. I live in zone 5. Our winter temps drop to -20°F. When harvested in the spring, they've sweetened up so much they're like eating candy out of the dirt.
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