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In composing this aspect, we introduce a fictitious character “Aunt Nattie” who:

- Has a rich stock of over-the-counter stuff (very natural)
- Is savvy to google and has opinions on which information on the internet is stupid
- Will pick you up at the hospital and bring you home
- Will wait for you at the hospital when you get treatments
- Will slap that donut out of your pie hole
- Believes deeply in “food as medicine”
- Has a rich collection of simple herbal concoctions she has harvested and prepared herself
- Is ready to administer first aid
- Knows the best technique to pull out a tick
- Has a fresh salve for that scrape
- Sneaks greens into all of your food
- Has heard it all - no need to hold back
- Is passionate about your health
- Can give you a good idea of whether you should go to the doctor/hospital/naturopath
- Is a great cook
- Insists on organic or better
- Is keen on wildcrafting / foraging
- Has a huge permaculture garden - with lots of herbs
- Will make sure you do your physical therapy
- Will remind you to take your meds/vitamins/tea/whatever
- Keeps her house spic and span with cleaners you can eat
- Wants you to drink more water, go for a walk and get some sun

These badges are designed to put you on a track to developing the “Aunt Nattie” within you.  You will start by building your collection of concoctions and then move into facing the challenges of ailments.  As you apply your growing skills you might want to apply them to somebody.  From here forward we will call that person your “friend”.  

The sand badge is to begin your collection of concoctions.

The straw badge is to complete your collection of concoctions and begin to help people with ailments.

The wood badge is purely for helping people with their ailments and the iron badge is even more.

Starting with the straw badge we introduce two lists of ailments:
  - the Quinn list is exclusively things for which you can get no more than half a point
  - the Watson list is variable points - typically one or more points

There are some small things on the Quinn list for which half a point might seem a bit much.   And there are some big things on the Quinn list that seem like they are on the wrong list.   With the Watson list, we asked ourselves “What would be a metric we can take a picture of?  Something that would prove improvement?”  This level of documentation became the primary ingredient for the Watson list.  Everything else had to remain on the Quinn list.  

sand badge

To receive a sand badge in natural medicine, do the following:

Harvest, dry, and store one of the following for a tea, infusion, or decoction:
  Alfalfa leaf or blossom
  Blackberry leaf or root bark
  Burdock root
  Chamomile blossom
  Dandelion root
  Echinacea flower, leaf, or root
  Elderberries
  Fennel seed
  Ginger root
  Hibiscus blossom
  Hops
  Horsetail
  Lavender blossom
  Lemon balm
  Marshmallow root
  Mullein leaf
  Oat straw
  Oregano leaf
  Oregon grape stem or root bark
  Parsley leaf
  Peppermint leaf
  Raspberry leaf
  Red clover
  Rose hips, buds, blossom petals
  Rosemary
  Culinary sage leaf
  Slippery elm bark
  Stinging nettle leaf
  Strawberry leaf
  Thyme leaf
  Tulsi (holy basil) leaf
  Uva ursi (kinnikinnik)
  Willow bark

Create an infusion (hot or cold) of one of the following (fresh or dried):
  Alfalfa leaf or flower
  Blackberry leaves
  Chamomile blossom
  Dandelion leaves
  Echinacea flower or leaf
  Elder flowers or berries
  Fennel seeds
  Ginger root
  Hops flowers
  Horsetail
  Lavender blossom
  Lemon balm leaf
  Marshmallow root
  Mullein leaf or root
  Oatstraw
  Peppermint leaf
  Raspberry leaf
  Red clover blossom
  Rose hips, buds, or petals
  Rosemary leaf
  Slippery elm bark
  Stinging nettle leaf
  Strawberry leaf
  Thyme leaf
  Tulsi (holy basil) leaf
  Uva ursi (kinnikinnick) leaf

Create a decoction of one of the following (fresh or dried):
  Blackberry root bark
  Burdock root
  Dandelion root
  Echinacea root
  Garlic bulb
  Ginger root
  Mullein root
  Oregon grape stem bark or root bark
  Stinging nettle leaf
  Thyme
  Willow bark
 
Create a tincture of one of the following (fresh or dried):
  Blackberry root bark
  Burdock root or seed
  Calendula blossom
  Cayenne fruit
  Dandelion root
  Echinacea blossom, leaf or root
  Elder flower or berries
  Fennel seed
  Ginger root
  Hops
  Mullein root, leaf, or blossom
  Oregano leaf
  Oregon grape stem or root bark
  Parsley
  Plantain leaf
  Rosemary
  Culinary sage
  St. John’s Wort blossoms
  Stinging nettle leaf
  Thyme tincture
  Uva ursi leaf
  Yarrow

Create a vinegar infusion of one of the following (fresh or dried):
  Garlic
  Elderberry
  Fire cider
  Lavender blossom plus hibiscus blossom
  Lemon balm
  Parsley
  Rosemary leaf
  Culinary sage leaf
  Thyme

Create an oil infusion of one of the following (fresh or dried):
  Arnica blossom
  Balm of gilead (Cottonwood Buds)
  Burdock root
  Calendula blossom
  Comfrey leaf
  Elder flower
  Ginger root
  Lavender blossom
  Marshmallow root
  Mullein blossom and garlic
  Mullein leaf
  Rose blossom
  Rosemary
  Peppermint leaf
  Plantain leaf
  St. John’s Wort blossom
  Stinging nettle
  Tulsi
  Yarrow blossom

Create syrup or gummies from one of the following (fresh or dried):
  Blackberry
  Burdock
  Chamomile
  Echinacea blossom, leaf or root
  Elderberry
  Fennel seed
  Ginger root
  Rosehip
  Thyme

Create a salve from one of the following (fresh or dried):
  Arnica blossom
  Balm of gilead (Cottonwood Buds)
  Burdock root
  Calendula blossom
  Chamomile
  Comfrey leaf
  Elderflower
  Ginger root
  Lavender blossom
  Marshmallow root
  Mullein leaf
  Rose blossom
  Rosemary
  Peppermint leaf
  Plantain leaf
  St. John’s Wort blossom
  Stinging nettle  
  Tulsi
  Yarrow blossom

Create a poultice of one of the following (fresh or dried):
  Aloe leaf
  Arnica blossom
  Comfrey leaf
  Burdock root
  Calendula blossom
  Dandelion leaf or root
  Ginger root
  Mullein leaf
  Onion
  Plantain leaf
  Yarrow blossom or leaf

straw badge

To receive a straw badge in natural medicine, do the following:

Complete 40 new BBs from the sand badge
  - At least 10 from the harvest, dry, and store herb list
  - At least 3 from each of the 8 remaining categories (infusion, decoction, tincture, vinegar infusion, oil infusion, syrup/gummy, salve, poultice)

Complete 10 different BBs from the Quinn list
  - At least 5 different times your concoctions were part of the solution.

QUINN LIST:  

Items on the Quinn List can’t be proven with tests or photographic evidence.  Some ailments that can be proven at times are sorted into Level 1 (not provable - Quinn) and Level 2 (provable - Watson).

For each item on the Quinn List (and on the Watson list) you will provide:
  - A number or pseudonym for your friend
  - Description of issue experienced by your friend (symptoms, duration, severity, etc; may include medical diagnosis)
  - Your suggestions for relief (including, but not limited to)
      - Behavioral
      - Food as medicine
      - Concoctions
  - Description of success, including
      - What your friend actually did
      - How well it worked
      - How long it took to see results
  - Picture of you with friend on the first meeting
  - Picture of you with friend (giving a thumbs up) on your last meeting

Acid reflux/GERD
Acne (level 1)
Abrasion (level 1)
Alzheimer’s/dementia (level 1)
Anxiety
Arthritis/joint pain
Bee/wasp/insect sting or bite
Brain fog/difficulty concentrating
Bruise
Burn
Cervical radiculopathy
Cold/flu
Colic
Constipation
COVID
Cut
Dandruff (level 1)
Delayed onset muscle soreness (after working out or unaccustomed physical exertion)
Depression
Diarrhea
Earache/ear infection
Epilepsy/seizures
Fatigue/low energy
Foot fungus/athlete’s foot (level 1)
Gallstones
Headache/migraine
Head lice
Inflammatory bowel disease (level 1)
Inflammatory bowel syndrome
Insomnia
Kidney stones
Menstrual cramps
Morning sickness/first-trimester sickness
Motion sickness
Muscle cramps
Plantar fasciitis
PMS
Poison ivy/oak/sumac/etc exposure
Puncture wound
Rash
Repetitive stress injury/repetitive motion injury
Seasonal allergies
Sore/strained/pulled muscle
Sore throat
Sprain
Stomach ulcer
Sunburn
Stomachache/indigestion
Toothache
Urinary tract infection
Vomiting


wood badge

To receive a wood badge in natural medicine, do the following:

Prove you helped at least 6 different people (this is a BB)
  - One of these people can be yourself
  - Each person should be identified with a unique number or pseudonym
  - Link to one Watson list BB for each of the 6 people

Complete 180 points from the Quinn and Watson lists:
  - Including guided cancer care
  - Quinn BBs count for ½ point
  - Complete at least 25 different BBs
  - Up to 30 points of duplication allowed
  - At least 20 different times your concoctions were part of the solution

For “hosted care” provide an environment (clothing, bedding, shelter) with very low toxins and provide permaculture food and drink for your friend. Explain and show what is different about your hosted environment and food compared to your friend’s home environment.


Watson list:

Everything on this list will require documentation that proves improvement, such as before and after photos, blood tests, or imaging results, depending on the ailment.

Acne (level 2) - 1 point
  - Clear pictures of before, during, and after healing
Abrasion (level 2) - 1 point
  - Clear pictures of before, during, and after healing
Alzheimer’s/dementia (guided) (level 2) - 2 or 6 points
  - Minimum of 8 cognitive tests
  - Before, during, and after test results proving substantial improvement - 2 points
  - Before and after video of your friend taking the test and proving substantial improvement - 4 more points
Alzheimer’s/dementia (hosted)(level 2) - 50 points
  - Minimum of 8 cognitive tests
  - Before, during, and after test results proving substantial improvement
  - Before and after video of your friend taking the test and proving substantial improvement  
Bedsore - 3 points
  - Clear pictures of before, during, and after healing
Cellulitis - 1 point
  - Clear pictures of before, during, and after healing
Cancer care (guided) - 20 points
  - Tell them what to do: food, water, environmental pollutants, concoctions, behavior
  - At least 2 visits to the home to go through their personal environment and belongings to remove possible carcinogens
  - At least 7 additional remote or in-person visits about their care to see how they’re progressing and correct course
  - Before, during, and after test results proving substantial improvement
Cancer care (hosted) - 200 points
  - Before, during, and after test results proving substantial improvement
Chronic asthma - 2 points
  - Before and after lung function tests proving substantial improvement
Chronic eczema/rosacea - 2 points
  - Clear pictures of before, during, and after healing
Chronic/non-healing wound - 1-3 points
  - Clear pictures of before, during, and after healing - 1 point
  - Photographs or other documentation (such as medical records) of the wound, showing that it has not healed well on its own for at least five weeks prior - 2 more points
Dandruff (level 2) - 1 point
  - Clear pictures of before, during, and after healing
Diabetes (Type 1) - 3 points
  - Before, during, and after test results documenting a normalization of blood sugar over time, such as multiple glucose monitor readings, A1C test results, etc., as well as any improvements of other symptoms
Diabetes (Type 2)  (guided) - 3 points
  - Before, during, and after test results documenting a normalization of blood sugar over time, such as multiple glucose monitor readings, A1C test results, etc., as well as any improvements of other symptoms
Diabetes (Type 2)  (hosted) - 30 points
  - Before, during, and after test results documenting a normalization of blood sugar over time, such as multiple glucose monitor readings, A1C test results, etc., as well as any improvements of other symptoms
Food allergies - 3 points
  - Documentation of substantial improvement, such as before and after allergy tests
Foot fungus/athlete’s foot (level 2) - 1 point
  - Clear pictures of before, during, and after healing
Fracture or broken bone rehab (guided) - 3 points
  - Before, during, and after proof of the following:
      - Wound/incision healing from surgical repair (if any)
      - Significant reduction of swelling, bruising, etc. from the break/fracture itself
      - Increased range of motion, dexterity, strength gains, and/or normalization of gait/movement in the affected body part (perhaps a weekly video of the friend performing a set of physical therapy exercises, or progressing from crutches to walking boot to unassisted walking over time)
      - Other visible signs of improvement
      - Descriptions of subjective experiences such as pain and other relevant symptoms that cannot be documented visually
Fracture or broken bone rehab (hosted) - 20 points
  - Before, during, and after proof of the following:
      - Wound/incision healing from surgical repair (if any)
      - Significant reduction of swelling, bruising, etc. from the break/fracture itself
      - Increased range of motion, dexterity, strength gains, and/or normalization of gait/movement in the affected body part (perhaps a weekly video of the friend performing a set of physical therapy exercises, or progressing from crutches to walking boot to unassisted walking over time)
      - Other visible signs of improvement
      - Descriptions of subjective experiences such as pain and other relevant symptoms that cannot be documented visually
Gout - 1 point
  - Documentation of significant improvement
Graves’ disease (guided) - 3 points
  - Documentation of significant improvement, such as before and after TSH, free T4, and/or TPO antibody tests, radioactive iodine uptake tests, imaging results, etc.
Graves’ disease (hosted) - 20 points
  - Documentation of significant improvement, such as before and after TSH, free T4, and/or TPO antibody tests, radioactive iodine uptake tests, imaging results, etc.
Hashimoto’s thyroiditis (guided) - 3 points
  - Documentation of significant improvement, such as before and after TSH, free T4, and/or TPO antibody tests, pictures of goiter, etc.
Hashimoto’s thyroiditis (hosted) - 20 points
  - Documentation of significant improvement, such as before and after TSH, free T4, and/or TPO antibody tests, pictures of goiter, etc.
High blood pressure - 1 point
  - Documentation of normalization of blood pressure over time, such as multiple blood pressure readings, fitness tracker records, etc.
High blood sugar - 1 point
  - Documentation of normalization of blood sugar over time, such as multiple glucose monitor readings, A1C test results, etc.
High cholesterol - 1 point
  - Documentation of normalization of cholesterol over time, such as before and after blood lipid panels
High triglycerides - 1 point
  - Documentation of normalization of triglycerides over time, such as before and after blood lipid panels
Inflammatory bowel disease (level 2) - 2 points
  - Documentation of significant improvement, such as before and after endoscopy or colonoscopy, imaging tests, etc.
Iron-deficiency anemia - 1 point
  - Before and after blood test results showing significant improvement
Iron overload disorder (excessive iron levels) - 1 point
  - Before and after blood test results showing significant improvement
Low blood pressure - 1 point
  - Documentation of significant improvement, such as blood pressure readings over time, fitness tracker logs, etc
Obesity (guided) - 2 points
  - Before, during, and after (pick one)
      - BMI reduction of 3 points
      - 3 inches from the waist
      - Reduction of 30 pounds
Obesity (hosted) - 30 points
  - Before, during, and after (pick one)
      - BMI reduction of 3 points
      - 3 inches from the waist
      - Reduction of 30 pounds
Osteoporosis (guided) - 3 points
  - Documentation of a significant increase in bone density over time, such as before and after bone scans
Osteoporosis (hosted) - 30 points
  - Documentation of an increase in bone density over time, such as before and after bone density tests
Paralysis rehab (guided) - 5 points
  - Before, during, and after proof of the following:
      - Documentation of wound/incision healing from surgical repair (if any)
      - Significantly increased range of motion, dexterity, strength gains, and/or normalization of gait/movement (for instance, a video each week of the friend performing a series of physical therapy exercises)
      - Increased ability to perform activities of daily living (for instance, a video each week of the friend putting on socks or shoes, buttoning a shirt, picking up and using silverware, walking up or down stairs, or getting into a vehicle, etc)
any other visible signs of improvement
      - Descriptions of subjective experiences such as pain, mood, and other relevant symptoms that cannot be documented visually
Paralysis rehab (hosted) - 30 points
  - Before, during, and after proof of the following:
      - Documentation of wound/incision healing from surgical repair (if any)
      - Significantly increased range of motion, dexterity, strength gains, and/or normalization of gait/movement (for instance, a video each week of the friend performing a series of physical therapy exercises)
      - Increased ability to perform activities of daily living (for instance, a video each week of the friend putting on socks or shoes, buttoning a shirt, picking up and using silverware, walking up or down stairs, or getting into a vehicle, etc)
any other visible signs of improvement
      - Descriptions of subjective experiences such as pain, mood, and other relevant symptoms that cannot be documented visually
Periodontitis - 1 point
  - A before and after picture of the friend’s mouth and gums and/or dental x-ray showing significant improvement
Pneumonia (guided) - 3 points
  - A before and after chest x-ray, sputum, or other tests showing significant improvement
  - One house visit to look at water heater settings
Pneumonia (hosted) - 15 points
  - A before and after chest x-ray, sputum, or other tests showing significant improvement
  - Show water heater settings
Psoriasis (guided) - 1 point
  - Before and after pictures of the affected area(s) showing significant improvement
Psoriasis (hosted) - 12 points
  - Before and after pictures of the affected area(s) showing significant improvement
Rheumatoid arthritis - 2 points
  - Documentation of significant improvement, such as before and after CRP, ESR, anti-CCP, and/or rheumatoid factor test results, imaging results, and/or symptom logging over time
Ruptured/torn muscle, ligament, or tendon rehab (guided) - 5 points
  - Before, during, and after proof of the following:
      - Wound/incision healing from surgical repair (if any)
      - Reduction of swelling, bruising, etc. from the break/fracture itself
      - Increased range of motion, dexterity, strength gains, and/or normalization of gait/movement in the affected body part (perhaps a weekly video of the friend performing a set of physical therapy exercises, or progressing from crutches to walking boot to unassisted walking over time)
      - Other visible signs of improvement
      - Descriptions of subjective experiences such as pain and other relevant symptoms that cannot be documented visually
Ruptured/torn muscle, ligament, or tendon rehab (hosted) - 30 points
  - Before, during, and after proof of the following:
      - Wound/incision healing from surgical repair (if any)
      - Significant reduction of swelling, bruising, etc. from the break/fracture itself
      - Increased range of motion, dexterity, strength gains, and/or normalization of gait/movement in the affected body part (perhaps a weekly video of the friend performing a set of physical therapy exercises, or progressing from crutches to walking boot to unassisted walking over time)
      - Other visible signs of improvement
      - Descriptions of subjective experiences such as pain and other relevant symptoms that cannot be documented visually
Stroke rehab (guided) - 5 points
  - Proof of friend’s significant improvement over a period of at least 3 months, using measures such as dexterity, mobility, speech, ability to perform activities of daily living, skill re-acquisition, etc.
Stroke rehab (hosted) - 30 points
  - Proof of friend’s significant improvement over a period of at least 3 months, using measures such as dexterity, mobility, speech, ability to perform activities of daily living, skill re-acquisition, etc.
Toenail fungus - 2 points
  - Before and after pictures of the affected area(s) showing significant improvement

iron badge

To receive an iron badge in natural medicine, do the following:

Prove you helped 15 different people (this is a BB)
  - One of these people can be yourself
  - Each person should be identified with a unique number or pseudonym
  - Link to one Watson list BB for each of the 15 people

Complete 1030 points from the Quinn and Watson lists:
  - Including hosted cancer care
  - Quinn BBs count for ½ point
  - Complete at least 60 different BBs (these can be repeats of BBs completed for prior badges)
  - Unlimited duplication allowed
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Nicole Alderman wrote:I'll try and get some of these badge bits started today at nap!



I want to work on this too, but won’t be able till tonight. By then I’ll be able too see which ones will still need work.
 
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I know it's the wrong time to ask questions, with the kickstarter starting and such, but I 'm gonna leave it here, and look for an answer whenever there is time:

For the BB pages on tinctures, since the tincture is not actually ready to be bottled in its finished form till weeks later, wwhat do we want students to post as proof of completion? (for the other concoctions it's a picture of the finished prroduct in its labeled jar).

Thank you.
 
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I'm thinking it might be necessary to wait until the two weeks is over? Which seems really annoying, but since this is all about making the preparations correctly and safely, I think we might need the picture of it all the way finished. I'll let Paul make that call, though.
 
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all the way finished.

It is okay if it takes a few months to complete a BB.
 
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Do we post for BB certification on this thread, or wait for individual BB threads to occur?  Do you need help creating threads for each?
 
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Beau Davidson wrote:Do we post for BB certification on this thread, or wait for individual BB threads to occur?  Do you need help creating threads for each?



Pretty sure Paul wants us to wait until the thread is made, though I can manually move a post to the thread once it's made...but it's a bit of work and I might forget to. So, probably best to wait, but if you really need to post it before you forget or lose the pictures, I can work with that, too.

I would be WONDERFUL to have help making these BBs! Just follow the format of the other ones, and we can turn it into a wiki and add in any formatting that was confusing. So, yes! Please help make Badge Bit threads if you can! You'll get a ton of apples and pie for it, too!!!
 
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Nicole Alderman wrote:

Beau Davidson wrote:Do we post for BB certification on this thread, or wait for individual BB threads to occur?  Do you need help creating threads for each?



Pretty sure Paul wants us to wait until the thread is made, though I can manually move a post to the thread once it's made...but it's a bit of work and I might forget to. So, probably best to wait, but if you really need to post it before you forget or lose the pictures, I can work with that, too.

I would be WONDERFUL to have help making these BBs! Just follow the format of the other ones, and we can turn it into a wiki and add in any formatting that was confusing. So, yes! Please help make Badge Bit threads if you can! You'll get a ton of apples and pie for it, too!!!



I'm in no big hurry, but I'll pitch in where I see that one needs starting!
 
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Nicole Alderman wrote:I'm thinking it might be necessary to wait until the two weeks is over? Which seems really annoying, but since this is all about making the preparations correctly and safely, I think we might need the picture of it all the way finished. I'll let Paul make that call, though.


I've always understood that a tincture needs at least six weeks, not two weeks.  I tincture mine for at least 6 (or until I get around to straining them).
 
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Some thoughts about the journal requirements for the sand badges.

It's important to document the efficacy of the concoction and the ingredients.  

But I'm also wondering if for the sand badges if there is some way to make the journaling aspect of the BBs simpler to encourage people who have never done this sort of thing before to give it a try.

These are my ideas - I would love your thoughts on this (especially Nicole and lesley as you've both made some lovely BB pages for the Natural Medicine)

1. what if the BB description could include a bit about why we are making this?
2.  what if some of the journal requirements were optional?  

What do you guys think?
 
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r ranson wrote:
1. what if the BB description could include a bit about why we are making this?
2.  what if some of the journal requirements were optional?  



Agreed.  On both.

I think the journal is required for efficacy on a plot of land.  So there needs to be some information on the recipe used to make a batch, and, in time, some reporting on the efficacy.

But the journal for the BB should be focused on just the things to determine efficacy.  At least that would be the requirement.   Further documentation in the journal would probably earn additional otis points.



 
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These are my ideas - I would love your thoughts on this (especially Nicole and lesley as you've both made some lovely BB pages for the Natural Medicine)
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2.  what if some of the journal requirements were optional?  

What do you guys think?



Looking at this beautifully made BB https://permies.com/wiki/110608/PEP-BB-medicine-sand-infusion , I'm wondering if it can be improved.  

At the sand level, what do we really need to know?

a. how to identify the plants
b. how to make the concoction
c. what the concoction does

This is what we have right now.

To show you've completed this Badge Bit, you must post:  
- a picture of your journal page about Lavendar & Hibiscus Infused Vinegar.
- a picture of your journal pages about the uses and attributes of: lavendar, hibiscus, and apple cider vinegar
- a picture of your ingredients
- a picture of your ingredients in vinegar
- a picture of your completed infused vinegar in a labeled container



I tried making this, but it still feels too long.

To show you've completed this Badge Bit, you must post:  
- a picture of your journal page about Lavendar & Hibiscus Infused Vinegar.
- a picture of your journal page(s) identifying lavender and hibiscus
- a picture of your ingredients
- a picture of your ingredients in vinegar
- a picture of your completed infused vinegar in a labelled container



But I wonder, if we have a journal page identifying lavender, could we reuse it for all the badges that include lavender?

 
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But I wonder, if we have a journal page identifying lavender, could we reuse it for all the badges that include lavender?



Oh, yes, very much so! So, the more badge bits you do, the less you have to do. You're just showing your picture of the page--if the page has already been made, lovely!

So, basically, for this badge bit, you're making 9 things. You get to pick which nine. So, if you've got a lot of comfery, you could do both the poultice and the salve, saving you having to write up about two ingredients. You could do Dandelion for the tincture, decoction, and dried--so that's one page rather than three. You could do calendula for both oil and salve. And then elderberry for vinegar infusion and gummies. If you really hacked it, I think you could do just 5 ingredient pages for the 9 badges.

What I think might be better, if writing the pages and making the thing is taking too long (I'll admit that I haven't done a badge, so I don't know), that we let people "Choose to make 5 of these 9 items." or something. I think it was really important to the people who study and do natural medicine that the people who get a badge in it, really know what they're doing. I think quality over quantity is better.
 
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Being a total novice in this arena, and seriously looking at doing the steps for this badge; yes, I agree that the bb's look like a lot of work, but I also value the quality aspect as well.

When I'm creating this stuff (and then administering it!), I want to be absolutely, positively sure I've got it right. I don't know what constitutes an appropriate level of knowledge for sand.

When I combed through the bb's, I figured the overlap of plant identification stuff was an intended synergy.

(Edit/add, to...ya know...address R's original post)
I agree with covering the "why," of a particular concoction, and would add the question of "what's the true purpose of the journal? Is it to demonstrate knowledge acquisition? Demonstrate a process followed?"

I would assume that the journal is not an end unto itself.
 
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Hi everyone,

Thanks for your patience, things have been hectic here, with preparation of house, garden and food for a birthday celebration. Amd damn it I want that composting toilet functional too!

Agree with Nicole when she says

I think it was really important to the people who study and do natural medicine that the people who get a badge in it, really know what they're doing. I think quality over quantity is better.



And agree with Nicole again that once a journal page is in place, it's there for any other recipe that calls for that ingredient.

Raven

At the sand level, what do we really need to know?

a. how to identify the plants
b. how to make the concoction
c. what the concoction does



for 'c' I reckon it's as important if not more important to know the attributes of the ingredients going in to a medicine, rather than just knowing 'this heals wounds' or 'is good for coughs' -that's more an allopathic (sp?) approach ie: what are the symptoms? ok then this is the diagnosis and here's the drug. By asking us to find out about the ingredients even at sand level, we begin to learn about the range of attributes they each have, rather than just learning what a recipe 'cures'.

IMHO in the grand scale of PEP things, if my whittled spoon is wonky because my technique is not quite perfect, it's no big deal, I can practice. If I go half-cocked into dosing myself and my family with concoctions, without a deeper understanding of the uses and attributes, (and the contra-indications!) of the constituents, I could end up, at best, dismissing a valuable resource because it didn't 'work' for me, at worst, I could end up with compounded health problems. Knowledge is power, natural medicine is powerful, invest the time, do the research, right from the start to lay good foundations. Why would I use a concoction if I didn't have a basic understanding of each ingredient and what role it plays in the recipe? Maybe I'm weird, but I find this stuff fascinating and it's deepened my respect for the plant world.

That's just my 4 pennyworth, based on over 50 years of interest in herbal medicine, and the past 4 years of focussed self-medication, which has improved my health and empowered me to reject mainstream pHarma-based drugs.

Lesley
 
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I edited the above first post to say, "Pick 5 of the 8 tasks below." So, people only need to make 5 quality medications, rather than 8. This is, of course, subject to Paul's approval.
 
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What if the journal page answered these questions?
What does "Lavendar and Hibiscus Infused Vinegar" do?
Why do we want to make it?
what quantities did we use to make it?
How much do we take at a time and how do we take it?

It would be just one journal page for each concoction.

Later on, in the badges, we can make journal pages about each ingredient.

what do you guys think?
 
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I made some changes to the BB in question

https://permies.com/wiki/110608/PEP-BB-medicine-sand-infusion

I shifted some things to be optional.  

I do think it is good to have an idea of what the herb does.   Just like it is good to have knowledge of tools and woods when carving a wooden spoon.   At the same time, the function of PEP is to show evidence that the thing is done.   And for all of the aspects, there was desire for training and journals and documentation - but in the end we wanted to simply prove to Otis that is has been done.  As we discussed the journal here, I made one exception for all BBs to have a journal for natural medicine - and this is exclusively for the sake of tracking efficacy for a property.  

I think it would be good to keep a journal for all woodworking projects so that the woodworker could track what works and be able to replicate successes.  And why to prefer certain materials or techniques.  But that is optional for the woodworker.   Yet wise.  

So the elements that lead to determining efficacy are required (recipe, dose, results ...).   The elements about what these herbs are good for, history, resources, etc.  are excellent material for a journal, but are not required for PEP certification.

 
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I would like to get some feedback from folks on this direction, and then get the BBs updated.  

We are trying to cobble together "version 0.6 alpha" of the PEP ebook to hand out to the kickstarter peeps in a week or two, so we are trying to get this smoothed out now.
 
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I like the changes.  This seems more achievable but still learning stuff.

I spent a few moments on google trying to figure out why I wanted to make Lavender and Hibiscus Infused Vinegar and how I would use it.  I'm still a bit confused on this.  
 
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Hi,

AFAIK Hibiscus sabdariffa is the variety of Hibiscus used for the Lavender and Hibiscus infusion, ie it is not your common garden Hibiscus plant and it is grown in tropical/subtropical regions, (although it can be grown in colder areas if you can protect it from frost) and providing evidence of harvesting is unachievable for many folks. Most will be buying the dried form.

hi raven: L & H infusion can be used in salad dressings as well as a hair rinse - helps colour grey hair too!
 
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I'm thinking the goal here is to make as much as possible with locally harvested and wildcrafted ingredients.  That way the person can become familiar with their local healing plants.

For sand badge - maybe there is some leeway so that something like firecider can have some non-local ingredients PROVIDED they aren't growable locally.  Like I could buy lemons because local lemons in Canada are difficult to find.  But if you lived in Florida or wherever lemons come from, you would harvest the lemons locally.


Which brings us to another question:  What about farmer's market, locally grown, fresh ingredients?  Would that count towards the sand badge?
 
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I am assuming this is the tread to post for the natural medicine badge.

Create a journal    https://permies.com/wiki/108702/PEP-BB-medicine-sand-journal#999986
Dry herb lemon balm   https://permies.com/t/128302/PEP-BB-medicine-sand-drylemonbalm#1001215
Oil infusion      https://permies.com/wiki/116046/PEP-BB-medicine-sand-oil#1022154
Salve             https://permies.com/wiki/108706/PEP-BB-medicine-sand-calendulasalve#1022167  https://permies.com/wiki/108706/PEP-BB-medicine-sand-calendulasalve#1027586
Poultice         https://permies.com/wiki/119135/PEP-BB-Medicine-Sand-ComfreyPoultice#1007780
Infusion        https://permies.com/wiki/119139/PEP-BB-medicine-sand-peppermintinfusion#1007132
Decoction      https://permies.com/wiki/108848/PEP-BB-Medicine-sand-gingerdecoction#1022145

These have all been certified.  This is the first badge I have completed and submitted for authorization, if not in the correct format or location let me know and I will proceed as directed. Thanks to everyone who took the time to review and certify the completion of the BBs.
Staff note (Mike Haasl) :

Congratulations on your first badge Dawn!!!

 
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I think I just qualified for this badge!

Natural Medicine Journal
Dry for tea/decoction/etc

Do 5 of the following:
Vinegar fire cider
Calendula oil
Calendula salve
Oregano leaf tincture
Peppermint leaf infusion in hot water
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This badge was certified complete by Mike Barkley! (thanks Mike B)

 
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OOH!  I am excited to work on this PEP Badge!  This is my jam!
 
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Are we limited to the herbs listed in the original post?  Like can I make salves tinctures etc from a different herb than  what is listed?
 
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Currently you're limited to the ones listed.  Each of those is a link to the thread where you post your photos to get certified.  If you have another herb that is reasonable to find in Montana that should be added to the list, mention it here and it might get added.
 
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When we designed the Sand Badge, we purposefully tried to focus on easy-to-access, low-side-effect herbs. That way beginners wouldn't learning with the more dangerous herbs. (You can read our reasonings here: https://permies.com/wiki/80/103068/brainstorming-natural-medicine). If you have low-side-effect herb that easily-accessible, that fits in one of the above categories, we might add it. But, hopefully there's enough variety that everyone can make it.  
 
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I think I'm ready to apply for my very first sand badge!

Dry an herb for a Tea, Infusion or Decoction
Make a Natural Medicine Journal

5 herbal preparations
make an infusion
make a vinegar infusion
make a tincture
make a salve
make a decoction

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Natural Medicine Sand Badge Granted! Congratulations!!

 
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Hi Permies!

I believe I have complete the Sand level for natural medicine:

Natural Medicine
Make a Journal
Elderberry Syrup
Dry Elderberries
Peppermint Salve
Plantain Poultice
Thyme Decoction
Peppermint Infusion
Oregano tincture
Elderberry Infusion
Calendulae Oil Infusion
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Bravo on your fifth badge: the Natural Medicine Sand Badge. WOOT WOOT!!!

 
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Excited to report that I 've completed the requirements for the Sand Badge in Natural Medicine.

  Create a Natural Medicine Journal
  Harvest, Dry, and Store Peppermint
  Water Infusion - Brew a Peppermint Infusion (Tea) from Fresh or Dry Materials
  Salve - Prepare a Peppermint Leaf Salve
  Syrup - Make an Elderberry Syrup
  Vinegar Infusion - Make Elderberry Infused Vinegar
  Decoction - Make a Ginger Decoction
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Certified, congratulations on your 5th sand badge!

 
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I was talking with someone in my area who was out foraging and found that they where collecting Mugwort.

It's used medicinally to help promote circulation and liver health, and can also help with lack of sleep, anxiety, and potentially several other issues.

I thought I'd mention it here and see if maybe it's something worth adding to this BB.
 
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Please add elderflower!
It's medicinal, too. It's my favorite. Much easier than the berries.
 
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