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tel jetson wrote:after reading Ben Law's The Woodland Way, I decided to try out a traditional forestry practice called "shredding". I'm not very familiar with this practice, but it involves removing the branches, leaves, and tops of living trees toward the end of summer. the leaves still have plenty of protein in them at this point and, depending on species, make good food for critters.
so, having previously read about trials of black locust hay, I tried this out on a small stand of black locust this weekend. I left the branches laying in the sun for a day, then cut the leaves off and piled them in the hay loft. our goats love the dried leaves. I'm hoping that I gathered enough to get them through the winter without buying in hay.
it was a lot of work, but I think it will be easier next year, as the branches that grow back will be smaller. after a few years of this, I'll start harvesting the stout poles that will result. I'll use them for round wood building and firewood. new stems will sprout from roots and the whole thing should keep humming along indefinitely.
Tom DeCoste wrote:I ordinarily sell lots of black locust seedlings. This is the last year I will have them. My state has banned them starting next year. Maine is such a large state with significant differences in growing zones from south to north. I wish they had excluded the northern parts of the state,at least. If anyone is interested. In bundles of ten, they are pretty inexpensive. https://jiovi.com/collections/plants-for-permaculture-gardens-all/products/black-locust-robinia-pseudoacacia?variant=13796421315
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Martin Bernal wrote:I got about 6000 seeds in mail a few months ago. how close can I plant Black Locust trees together when planting into a new swale?? I do plan on chop an drop and copice them later. are there any issues with planting them closely together in a swale. I don't have money to buy other the many different variety of trees at this time, but I want to get something in the ground.
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I have a 15 acre Farmstead in the western North Carolina Mountains. When I moved in here there was a white bunch of rusted barbed wire fence on black locust posts. The previous owner of the farm said they had been in there at least 30 years. I pulled all of them out, as I was repurposing them for a 5 wire high-tensile goat fence. I don't think a single one of them was rotten, some where big and some were smaller but they were all split black locust posts. After putting a few hundred of them back in the ground and getting ready to string my wire, I realized I didn't have enough. I went back to the previous owner and he told me that he had another two or three dozen lying under the trees at the edge of the forest. I went over and sure enough were a bunch of black locust posts on the ground, and had been there since they were cut and split over 30 years ago... covered with leaves, all wet and nasty. Just about every single one of those posts was okay and I used the majority of them to finish my fence. The only time we had problems with some that were rotten was not from the wet but from ants that had gotten into some of the knot holes and stuff like that and then once they got inside the post, over dozens of years they were evidently able to start eating it from the inside out. one fellow down below commented he heard that a black locust post will wear three holes in the ground and that is absolutely true. There are some good YouTubes about how to split posts, check them out and if you have black locust you want to split them so that they are 4 to 5 in in diameter, but they sure are strong and the smaller ones are just as good.
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John Pollard wrote:They're considered a bit of an intrusive plant here in the Ozarks.
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paul wheaton wrote:Has anybody dug up a black locust that might be five years old or so? A black locust that was started on that very spot from seed. I'm asking because I suspect that no black locust ever has a tap root, but since it does so extremely well in dry conditions, I thought there could be a chance of it.
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paul wheaton wrote:Has anybody dug up a black locust that might be five years old or so? A black locust that was started on that very spot from seed. I'm asking because I suspect that no black locust ever has a tap root, but since it does so extremely well in dry conditions, I thought there could be a chance of it.
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tel jetson wrote:
John Pollard wrote:They're considered a bit of an intrusive plant here in the Ozarks.
isn't black locust native in the Ozarks?
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tel jetson wrote:I've got quite a few. they sucker and there are some seedlings, but they aren't too much of a hassle. the patch of plum seedlings and suckers I've got is a lot more trouble.
I'm glad I've got both the plums and black locust, though. they're adding a lot of biomass to the really sandy soil they're growing in. once I find some time, I'm also hoping to regularly cut most of them down. I'll buck up the bigger stems for firewood and building material. the smaller stuff I'm hoping to use to make some char to help hold some nutrients in the dirt (like a lot of soil in the rainy northwest, it's deficient in roughly everything but phosphorus). and the leaves can go in the hayloft for winter critter food.
which reminds me: goats would probably be a decent biological control if black locust suckers and seedlings start getting out of hand. one place there aren't any little locusts is in the long-term goat paddock. there are three big trees, but no seedlings or root suckers. there are poultry in there, too, and so I guess there's also a chance they're eating the seeds.
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Gordon Haverland wrote:But it is nice looking flooring.
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tel jetson wrote:
Gordon Haverland wrote:But it is nice looking flooring.
yeah. I kind of like the checks, I think. if I were doing it, I would maybe just let them fill in with wax and grime over time.
I imagine black locust used this way could make an exceptionally hard-wearing floor.
Cécile Stelzer Johnson wrote:The flowers smell wonderful and my honey bees are intermittently fond of them. They make a wonderful clear as water honey that does not crystallize. Unfortunately, it is considered invasive in my county [Portage County, WI.]: They are extremely prolific and can colonize any yard. Removing them is arduous work: They make many suckers. I'd love to have more in reach of my bees.
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Cécile Stelzer Johnson wrote:The flowers smell wonderful and my honey bees are intermittently fond of them. They make a wonderful clear as water honey that does not crystallize. Unfortunately, it is considered invasive in my county [Portage County, WI.]: They are extremely prolific and can colonize any yard. Removing them is arduous work: They make many suckers. I'd love to have more in reach of my bees.
I have a hectare and a half (3 acres?) Of black locust on tthe top of a high hill in Romania.It is such an imporfant tree for bees that we probably have more black locusts in Romania then all the black locusts in USA.
In Romania is verry common to find black locust honey for sale at every beekeper shop.Its cristal clear and has the black locust flowers aroma and its also verry sweet because it contains mainly fructose wich is sweeter than glucose and sucrose.
The black locust honey its the most important feature of this tree here and we use ittt ssometimess as fence posts or for fuel wood but rarely since we have otther better trees to make fire.
We only plant it for honey production .
Frederik Grøn Schack wrote:As far as I remember, they honey from black locust is sold as acacia honey, even though the tree is not an acacia.
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