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I am trying to sprout kiwi seeds on damp paper in a ziplock bag.
 
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Rebecca Norman wrote:However, at least one species of Zanthoxylum is native to North America and grows wild, and people seem to say the various species of that genus all have similar flavours and culinary uses, though not exactly the same flavour.


I had no idea of that, Rebecca, thanks for turning me onto a new variety search! :) Is that probably Zanthoxylum americanum, or northern prickly-ash? It looks like it doesn't grow this far south and west. I wonder if Zanthoxylum juniperinum, which grows in Mexico, would be more likely to do well here, or if it's too tropical (sounds like maybe it's a rain forest thing). Zanthoxylum mazatlanum grows in Sonora, Mexico -- maybe that's the most likely one up here, too, although it looks like its habitat may be coastal. Zanthoxylum clava-herculis grows in the south, including east Texas, but not this far west. Looks like it likes pine woods. I'd love to try the one from Sonora. Road trip! (Someday.)
 
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Beth Wilder wrote:Living near the border, we have access to a great Mexican grocery with a neat bulk section of herbs, spices, teas, and things. I had gotten some hibiscus there for tea but never would have thought to check for seeds. Thanks for the great idea, Thekla! I just went through what I have and found 34 seeds! I had also gotten some whole tamarind pods there. I just nibbled on some of the tart-sweet pulp to extricate five big seeds. I'm going to soak all these overnight and put them in seed starting mix tomorrow. I know it's really not the right time of year for this, but our monsoon always makes me feel like trying to grow everything.


Update! The hibiscus seeds from that bulk tea from the Mexican grocery are blowing my mind. I'm attaching a picture of my seed tray. At the far left are a couple of baby Passiflora incarnata, then a blank row where the Passiflora edulis hasn't come up (yet), then a row of tall Clitoria ternatea that I'm about to pot up, then a row of massed basil seedlings, then a couple of rows of hairy little seedlings of bronze fennel and cumin, then four blank rows (Opuntia, star anise, black pepper, and white pepper), and then... a full row of hibiscus! Every seed I planted is up. After soaking the seeds overnight, some split their hull and showed a little white tail, so I planted those and kept the rest soaking. After two nights, more had little white tails, so I planted those. Then I figured I had enough, so I composted the rest. (Now I wish I hadn't, but what are you going to do? Maybe they'll sprout in the compost.)

The tamarind and papaya seeds aren't up (yet). They're in toilet paper tube pots in a separate bin to ease transplant shock if they ever grow... (Something else that blew my mind: Take a toilet paper tube and a knife, slit the tube vertically at one end, making ~3/4" slits at 12, 3, 6, and 9, then fold and interlock the resulting tabs like you're shutting a box that you don't want to come open on its own, flip the tube over, fill it with damp potting soil, place in a bin with other tube pots for mutual support. When you want to transplant, you can either leave the tube in the ground to dissolve or peel it away from the roots carefully along that diagonal cut those tubes have. The rest of you probably know all about this, but dadnabit I didn't, and it's pretty darned exciting.)
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How much is that seedling tray in the window?
 
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Beth Wilder wrote:

Beth Wilder wrote:Take a toilet paper tube and a knife, slit the tube vertically at one end, making ~3/4" slits at 12, 3, 6, and 9, then fold and interlock the resulting tabs like you're shutting a box that you don't want to come open on its own, flip the tube over, fill it with damp potting soil, place in a bin with other tube pots for mutual support. When you want to transplant, you can either leave the tube in the ground to dissolve or peel it away from the roots carefully along that diagonal cut those tubes have. The rest of you probably know all about this, but dadnabit I didn't, and it's pretty darned exciting.)



Excellent tip, Beth.  How about posting this part in recycling forum?  I use a paper potter and turn newspaper into little pots.  Not as sturdy as a toilet roll but I can sit and make dozens while watching videos (always like to keep my hands busy) and then use them, as you say, for things that are sensitive to transplanting.  I have found them good for carrots and parsnips, and if I make them taller, broad beans.  I have had several disasters with broad bean seedlings being eaten by voles so this year I will start my winter crop off in paper tubes and see if I have better luck!

 
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If you plan on saving supermarket potatoes for growing in the garden, the most commonly available commercial variety that yields true seed from potato berries is Yukon Gold. It is a small, yellow potato used for steaming and mashing. Here is an image from Wikipedia.
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I would love to try Yukon Gold but I can't get them here.  I buy all my seed potatoes in from a firm overseas to get disease free pots.  If anyone in Europe wants their deets, pm me.
 
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Jesse D Henderson wrote:
A question about avocados: I've heard of germinating them by suspending them by toothpicks in water. I'm running that experiment right now. But what would happen if I just bury the whole thing? Sometimes I forget about an avocado and when I cut into it there are roots starting. Has anyone tried this method? I would think it's closer to what would happen in nature.



Re: the water method -- when we were kids, my siblings and I unknowingly did experiments with this. We each had our own avocado seed. Most of us followed the advice in the books and changed out the water every couple of days; I left my same water the whole time. It developed a film on top, looks kinda nasty (which was probably the reason the books say change it), but mine was the first seed to sprout, too.

I will add that chayote squash has also been known to have protruding roots or shoots if left to sit. I haven't planted it myself yet, but I have been advised that the best way is to plant the entire squash, uncut.
 
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