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For reference, here Paul described about how long each badge should take:
paul wheaton wrote:
In general, I think the approximate time to complete a badge would be about:
sand badge: ~5 hours
straw badge: ~40 hours (+35 hours over sand, about 4 or 5 days)
wood badge: ~220 hours (+180 hours over straw, about 4 to 5 weeks)
iron badge: 1250 hours (+1030 hours over wood, about six months)
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Kay Gelfling wrote:So what would be PEP 20 look like? 40?
What are you thinking of doing/have done about climate specific instructions? I imagine some plants or methods would be substituted- so perhaps there would be a variety of modification subsets based on climate? (Or is PEP Montana specific?)
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Inge Leonora-den Ouden wrote:Hi. Will there be badges for textile crafting skills? Like spinning, weaving, knitting, etc.? (including repairing clothes and household textiles)
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Kay Gelfling wrote:To get one PEP Badge in a category, the idea is to get all of the BBs in that list, (not skipping any, but not needing to be in order).
You can have a PEP Badge at lower (Sand) or higher (Wood) levels depending on how far along the list you have accomplished.
Then, for a PEP1, a person might need {X} sand badges- but they could be from any PEP Badge category.
(And for higher # of PEP#: {X} from sand, {Y} from straw, {Z} from wood etc)
while unable to complete every badge, there might be enough badges i can do from my region that i could still end up with PEP# scores! Yay!
I think my initial misunderstanding about the PEP being region-free was that i was thinking "Permaculture Experience according to Paul" as more of a Paul-philosophy-description using the vocabulary of specific tasks. Sort of a "This is what Paul would do." It just didn't occur to me to attach a location. (ie This is what Paul would do in Hawaii, this is what he would do in Vegas, etc seemed consistent at first) Once explained, of course, that cleared it up. Thanks!
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Plus if someone wants to do PEM (Permaculture Experience according to Maggie) in Arizona, they can probably copy 95% of the PEX structure and 75% of the BBs.paul wheaton wrote:So, not perfect, and possibly useless for most of the planet, but good enough for millions of people in areas similar to mine.
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paul wheaton wrote:
I think my initial misunderstanding about the PEP being region-free was that i was thinking "Permaculture Experience according to Paul" as more of a Paul-philosophy-description using the vocabulary of specific tasks. Sort of a "This is what Paul would do." It just didn't occur to me to attach a location. (ie This is what Paul would do in Hawaii, this is what he would do in Vegas, etc seemed consistent at first) Once explained, of course, that cleared it up. Thanks!
I think part of it is that if I try to create PEX so it will work on any property for any set of values, it will require more time to write than I have time left to live.
On the other hand if I limit it to just my values and on my property, I can probably crank this out in a few months. And it will just so happen to turn out to be something that a few million people can do on other properties too.
So, not perfect, and possibly useless for most of the planet, but good enough for millions of people in areas similar to mine.
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Nina Jay wrote:
My fear is that people who are just quickly browsing the forums get the idea that you think permaculture is about planting certain trees or doing certain very specific other stuff everywhere around the globe, regardless of climate etc.
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paul Wheaton wrote:
I think part of it is that if I try to create PEX so it will work on any property for any set of values, it will require more time to write than I have time left to live.
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Kay Gelfling wrote:
Nina Jay wrote:
My fear is that people who are just quickly browsing the forums get the idea that you think permaculture is about planting certain trees or doing certain very specific other stuff everywhere around the globe, regardless of climate etc.
You know, I think this will be okay, and resolve itself in time. People who are browsing quickly, if they like the forums, they will keep reading and deepen their understanding. Everybody has to start somewhere, and statements like that might be part of their learning process. It's upsetting to me when I see people saying untrue and negative things about permaculture, but I don't think it's productive to cater ourselves too much to them- some of them have ulterior motives, or are just enjoying being a troll. If they are genuine, and they are worth our time and concern, my feeling is that they will learn more in time and retract previous negative statements.
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Kay Gelfling wrote:
paul Wheaton wrote:
I think part of it is that if I try to create PEX so it will work on any property for any set of values, it will require more time to write than I have time left to live.
Paul! When you say stuff like this I worry about you.
I would like to place an obligation upon you, despite the fact that you know me not at all, have given us all so much, and that I have personally given you so little in comparison; that you are to live and continue your empire until at least the age of 120. Okay thanks!
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Shawn Klassen-Koop wrote: I think that even if Paul did live to the age of 120 he still wouldn't be able to create PEX so it will work on any property for any set of values. I don't think anyone can.
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paul wheaton wrote:The "sand" level would require 4 to 12 hours to complete for a badge.
The straw level might take 3 to 10 days.
The wood level could take a month or two.
The iron level could take 6 to 18 months.
paul wheaton wrote:In general, I think the approximate time to complete a badge would be about:
sand badge: ~5 hours
straw badge: ~40 hours (+35 hours over sand, about 4 or 5 days)
wood badge: ~220 hours (+180 hours over straw, about 4 to 5 weeks)
iron badge: 1250 hours (+1030 hours over wood, about six months)
Nicole Alderman wrote:Here's another list of time estimates, from this other thread
paul wheaton wrote:In general, I think the approximate time to complete a badge would be about:
sand badge: ~5 hours
straw badge: ~40 hours (+35 hours over sand, about 4 or 5 days)
wood badge: ~220 hours (+180 hours over straw, about 4 to 5 weeks)
iron badge: 1250 hours (+1030 hours over wood, about six months)
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Chelsea Hartweg wrote:An idea I just had regarding certifying remotely and/or getting the idea to spread to other areas: have you looked at the model that Certified Naturally Grown uses? It's grassroots, so folks who are certified have a volunteer requirement per year to go out and perform the review for certifying others. Perhaps this PEX system could include some sort of system like that where folks who are certified in things make themselves available for others to ask questions, come visit to learn in person, and/or have them review their efforts? Bonus- you've now also created a mentor ship program within this whole thing!
Chelsea Hartweg wrote:I'm on board. How can a book smart homesteader help out? I've looked over the badge pages and I'm hesitant to add much since everything I know is from books and not experience.
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Shawn Klassen-Koop wrote: I guess the other option is to start building experience and posting pictures to start getting certified. That helps build forward velocity!
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Chelsea Hartweg wrote:... I live in a townhouse in a very different climate than Paul (Raleigh, NC), ...
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Chris Kott wrote:Are we talking about a points system for permacultural experience, so as to ensure that people we're paying to do work or working with have their "permie cred?"
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Chris Kott wrote:I can only imagine how many person-hours this whole exercise is taking to set up.
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