I shall be trying tomatoes and squash.I'm planning to try Zai Holes next year to grow corn, beans, millet, and squash with no irrigation: https://c.ymcdn.com/sites/echocommunity.site-ym.com/resource/collection/27A14B94-EFE8-4D8A-BB83-36A61F414E3B/TN_78_Zai_Pit_System.pdf
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Tracy Wandling wrote:Rules of Engagement for this thread:
The purpose of this thread is to get a whole bunch of possibilities and ideas for dryland farming (no-irrigation gardening, dry farming, or whatever you want to call it) together in one thread. There are a squillion different gardening systems, conditions, and preferences. So, maybe lots of these ideas will work for you, maybe some will work for you, and maybe only one or two will work for you. That doesn’t mean that the ideas I have put forth, or the ideas that other people will hopefully post to this thread, don’t work, at all, anywhere; and it would be great if we didn’t derail the purpose of this thread with all kinds of ‘discussions’ about why something doesn’t work, and what works the best, and asking for citations and proof. These are just ideas. They will all probably work somewhere, sometimes, for somebody.
These are just ideas to get the ol’ creative juices going, and help people start to think about how they might be able to cut down on watering, or eliminate it completely. This is not a recipe, or a tried-and-true method, just ideas.
If you feel the need to pontificate about your personal feelings about a particular topic that is likely to derail this thread, and lead to silliness, then it would be awesome if you started a thread of your own, so you can get specific about a certain thing that you are feeling passionate about. Then we can keep this thread as a place to put forth ideas that might help somebody somewhere who is trying to grow without irrigation, or at least lessen their water consumption in the garden.
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Abraham Palma wrote:Here is my challenge.
I can toy with a garden with 800 sq meters in a Mediterranean climate (not a single drop from June to September, no freeze either). This garden has no water at all. There might be some runoff water, but I am not allowed to divert it, neither allowed to dig a well. Only rainwater. We run a NGO with no money at all, only hand work. The city hall allowed our asociation to manage the site, but they don't help much.
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I don't agree. With 21 inches of water per year there should be plenty as long as it's used properly. Under deep mulch, I am able to grow a number of different crops on 12 inches (apx 305 mm) with no supplemental water at all. And this is in a similar summer climate--brutal sun, heat, very little water May to September.Cécile Stelzer Johnson wrote: 2/ Your second problem is your climate, which just doesn't provide enough fresh water to sustain your crops. I will just assume that the price of fresh water in your community is financially out of reach.
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Abraham Palma wrote:Here is my challenge.
So this is a case of a dryland gardening, in a semiarid mediterranean region, with no irrigation at all.
This thread mostly covers using Mulch:
https://permies.com/t/89965/dry-climate-leads-sustainability-mulch
This thread has some information on Zai Holes:
https://permies.com/t/96852/permaculture-projects/Starting-Food-Forest-soil-crazy
This thread is about Air Wells - collecting water from the air
https://permies.com/t/airwell
This thread is about Wicking Beds:
https://permies.com/t/134410/Wicking-beds-Texas
This thread is about Clay pots or Ollas
https://permies.com/t/56986/Clay-Pot-Irrigation-Experiment
This thread is about Keyhole Gardening:
https://permies.com/t/68883/permaculture-projects/keyhole-garden-summer-drought
Some information on Rainwater Catchment:
https://permies.com/t/36676/Brad-Lancaster-Waste-Transform-waste#285925
https://permies.com/t/127073/store-water#1040876
This last thread is about Dryland Farming:
https://permies.com/t/58559/permaculture-projects/Big-Fat-Thread-Dryland-Farming
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Jeff Hodgins wrote:I think that zai holes are too much work and your digging below the rich topsoil. They fill in as you do the weeding. They are definitely good for moisture retention and blocking the soil surface frome wind. I wish a regular tractor could make zai holes.
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Invasive plants are Earth's way of insisting we notice her medicines. Stephen Herrod Buhner
Everyone learns what works by learning what doesn't work. Stephen Herrod Buhner
Invasive plants are Earth's way of insisting we notice her medicines. Stephen Herrod Buhner
Everyone learns what works by learning what doesn't work. Stephen Herrod Buhner
New location. Zone 6b, acid soil, 30+ inches of water per year.
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-Nathanael
Only one solution: native crops in the native season.
... But they still have to get a start in the more humid season.
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Nathanael Szobody wrote:Grow stuff in drylands WITHOUT irrigation? Only one solution: native crops in the native season.
And there are a COUPLE exeptions, like moringa and pigeon pea. But they still have to get a start in the more humid season.
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