Abraham Palma

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New to urban permaculture.
Málaga, Spain
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What brought me to you was a statement I read about willed land.  I would love to learn more about this.  

As I understand, there's some kind of certification that you are a worthy homesteader with the SKIP program. If you pass it, you can proudly show everyone who cares how well you are able to manage any property. Even if you are never offered a land, you will have the skills to manage it, so you are one step closer to success.
Then, Paul Wheaton has some spare land he is renting for cheap to those that are worthy, this is, people who are assets to the land. I don't know if he actually includes these people into his will.

I am not sure if the 'inherit' thing has ever occurred. Nonetheless, you will find here pretty much everything you need to know to homesteading and permaculture, which is a great way to thrive while caring for the planet.
4 days ago
I am not so professional. LOL

Things we make the artisan way...?
- Soap (from rye).
- Traditional cook.
- Sourdough bread.
- Keffir.
- Some preserves: olives, tomato sauce, chucrut, ...
- I recently made a garden planter out of pallet planks.
- Does dishwashing by hand count?
4 days ago
Yes. Thanks. Foraging families is my first idea. I don't know how to weave willow, but I get the idea. That's offering workshops related to the garden.

A seasonal event might be right. That's one programmed event every three months, long enough for us to prepare, frequent enough for people to learn about us. A shared food festival fits nicely with the group here. We've done similar things before, but not as a "Tradition (TM)".
6 days ago
Keep your project on your land, and use the extra for secondary projects. You don't know when the allowance is going to be taken back.
In fact, I would try to improve the ecosystem of the other land in a way that doesn't require me to work it.
@M James.

Truly a moving story. Thanks.

We already have some volunteers to work in the garden. I suspected that the very people who need more the income were the less likely to come to work. The charitable approach was already tried. We had one person here working to produce some fresh vegetables which were to be donated, but he considered himself the owner of the place; he was a very toxic person to work with. Current staff is much more amicable.
What I'd like to see is some civil neighbours coming to the garden and picking some fresh produce for their homes, maybe helped by the local staff, so they don't ruin everything. Also, enjoying their visit. I don't mind whether they can afford fresh produce. People in distress already have plenty of help programs. This is more about teaching values, teaching people there's more than tomatoes and peppers to eat, showing people what organic fresh vegetables tastes like. I also want the neighborhood good will, since the town hall is on the verge to force us out, and should we protest, I would like to have some support.
6 days ago

Has hugelkultur been considered?

Yes. But adapted to non-irrigation mediterranean climate, which is a sunked bed with branch cuts beneath. So far it is working pretty well.
6 days ago

I'm now convinced that the way we should manage our urban garden is by the least possible maintenance, thus I'm leading towards a wild mediterranean garden. My idea here is to have a open wild garden where people can visit and take whatever they like, just following some easy rules: only take what you are going to eat, take it only ripe, always leave at least two specimens in sight. The gardeners take care of seed propagation, adding compost, mulching, clearing and some pruning. But I need it to be very simple for gardeners too, since we are very inexperienced, dedicate very little time (usually a couple of hours a week) and not many gardeners stay for a long time.
In addition, trying to manage an urban market garden is risky, since the municipality is tempted to take control and manage it its way: assingning very small allotments to people with necessities, which will result in anything but permaculture.

We are not allowed to have farm animals here, only passing wild birds (ducks are considered farm animals), maybe we can convince some bats to stay (yes, a coronavirus reservoir, I know), some rats, street cats and the usual bugs. Our only domestic animal is the red compost worm, although they are semi-wild now, having escaped from the compost bin. Fruit trees will keep producing even if we do nothing, although I think some prunning might be feasible: to make fruit bigger, and to keep fruit trees at a manageable size. Flowers and spice herbs are already growing happily without any effort. We have here stablished carobs, olive trees, fig trees. We have some young other fruit trees: pommegrenates, almonds, lemons, oranges, loquats. And a few more on the way. An ugly blackberry.

Things I want to avoid most are:
Watering. Since we have very little water, and even if we had water, we don't have the discipline to water regularly and in time. But this means four months of not a single drop.
Weeding. It's just such a waste of time and energy. Besides, I'm feeding more on weeds than on our planted crops.
Crops rotation. People come and go, some gardeners only stay for a few months, keeping a record of what, where and when have been planted is too hard for us. Assigning someone to manage it all is not feasible.
Seedling. Ok, we have seeds, we gather our seeds, but when it comes the moment to make these seeds into seedlings we just fail. No water, no sheltered place to grow them, not enough discipline and knowledge. What we need are plants that can propagate themselves with very little aid. Or maybe learn how to use a planting slot in the wet season.

I've recently read Sepp Holzer's Permaculture, and I think this is posible. But I would like to hear you.

PS In case you want to know where it is, type "huerta dignidad malaga". The photo in google maps is very outdated, most features have changed, but you will get the idea of where it is located.
1 week ago
Hi, good news.
The triangular bed is now on production and a second one is on its way. Had to stop due to heavy rains. That's the best reason to stop digging :D
1 week ago

So why in the fudge are they being so damn negative about this? Is this really that stupid of a plan...If it is please tell me why? Or are they just too caught up in the yard landscaping city mindset to even conceive of this?

These are very different questions.
The first one is something worth of a meditation. "Why people is negative about your efforts?" Some people might care about you, wasting your time and making yourself angry, but this is the less likely. Some other people might just want to show how knowledgeful they are, to compete in this game of domestic politics where everyone must show some value to be a worthy member of this society. Then, other people might just be scared of you, since you are proving to think very differently than them, and these people can't stand diversity (these are the same who will burn anyone not sharing their religion a few centuries ago). There could be other reasons, but these are the most probable, in my opinion.

About your other questions, you've been offered good advice, I think. Many of us love to give advice, and here goes mine:
Every land is unique. You have to observe it carefully to learn about what can be done and what not. If you want to plant pear sapplings, look at what pear sapplings need to thrive, look at what your land is offering to the sapplings, and then think what you can do to make a difference. Of course, pears are not desert fruit trees. But pears can endure mediterranean climate. Maybe you can develop a desert variety from a variety that is adapted to extremely dry mediterranean climate. Still, you will need to work on your microclimates to achieve that extreme mediterranean climate, closing the gap. Irrigation, shades, heat storages and wind breaks are tools for building microclimates. If you don't want to work like a mule in the future, try to create your microclimates in a way that are self-sustainable. For example, using water retention structures you will make better use of the little water you might receive, and it's much better if your plants get the water directly from your water retention structure rather than depending on you for watering.
You will be introducing a species from a very different ecosystem, so your desert ecosystem might reject it in the first attempts. If you want your pears to thrive, they need something more than a proper microclimate, they need a supporting ecosystem. Without a proper diversity of thorny, poisonous, smelly and other ugly plants, and also dangerous animals your lovely pears might not have a chance.
1 week ago

I think the key here is that this thread is about a person looking for natural clothing. Whatever their reasons, let's focus on helping them, rather than debating their decision.

Ok. I was going to reply to all of my questioned claims, but you are right, this thread should focus on where to get what OP asked for. Let's just say we have our reasons.