darktwist McCoy wrote:I would strongly urge caution regarding the post about jimson weed/datura. Jimson weed or any datura is nothing to casually fiddle around with....
darktwist McCoy wrote:I also feel like it's wrong to call it safe....
CJin VT wrote:Can someone clue me in the reason for so many Hatfields and McCoys on this thread?
Devon Olsen wrote:
other than that i know you can smoike:
catnip: supposedly gives a cannabis sorta high but has some negative side effects like nausea and such(this isn't from experience though and im sure most of us know that there is tons of misinformation out there about just about every drug in existence, im sure catnip isn't excluded)
cloves: gives a numbing snesation but no high that i know of, supposedly has more carcinogen content than tobacco and i heard that too much can cause blindless(not sure if thats just temp or ont)
salvia: a hallucinagin(sp) that hits within seconds and stops within minutes, supposedly not a very fun trip and no terrible side effects besides un-fun trip that i have heard of, probably not safe to smoke in public as you are reccomended to have someone watch over you during use, unregulated in states as far as i know
soaring spirit wrote:Has anyone tried raising tobbaco without all the cides? I enjoy a good cigar but know that conventional tobbaco has lots of unhealthy growing methods
Jonathan Patrick wrote:I would strongly urge caution regarding the post about jimson weed/datura. Jimson weed or any datura is nothing to casually fiddle around with. Unless you know how to dose properly, they are dangerous, and it's very difficult to judge strength of anything from raw plant matter. It is also illegal in some states now.
Absolutely correct. Jimson weed (and Belladonna, datura, and other similar alkaloid rich herbs) can/will cause hallucinations and is dosage dependent and not personality dependent. These hallucinations are akin to the Carlos Castaneda experience, as in you CANNOT tell what is real and is not. Hmmm. That is too weak. You are not aware that you are hallucinating, which makes it kind of a psychotic break. You act on your perceptions (potentially incredibly dangerous, eh?) which have nothing to do with the shared reality most of us experience. As with so many herbal substances, dosage or concentration is extremely variable and almost impossible to determine without analytical quantitative equipment and the knowledge of how to use it. Dosage, dosage, dosage.
This is not like horehound, or dill, or cannabis, or skullcap. More along the dangerous as hell line, like taking capsules of foxglove to see what happens. The effects can take weeks, months or YEARS to finally disappear. They can include loss of fine motor control, loss of the ability to relate to others and their emotions, and the failure to realize that you are operating under a deficit.
Imagine that everything you choose to do takes twice as long as it once did. Driving? Double your reaction time. Skating on ice? Sorry. Were you once an artist or musician? Sorry. Conversations with people who matter to you? Sad.
Don't play with this. It is not fun, or consciousness expanding, or rewarding on any level. Yes, low dosages, smoked, were and are used in many countries to treat chronic and acute asthmatic symptoms. Stick to safe things, like pot, or mushrooms, or cactus if you insist on transcendence. This is not a parental attitude; this is me wanting you to live, and live without unnecessary deficits, self induced.
garrett lacey wrote:Kinnickinnick leaves & bark, willow bark, and dogwood bark were all traditionally used to add body to the smoke. Skullcap and wood betony have a nice mildly sedative effect. Mugwort, mint for flavour. Mullein as the base.
Just a few that i've tried.
Ive heard that Elephant's head pedicularis is a very desireable smoking ingredient for it's effect. (A better marijuana?) but ive never found it. I think it is somewhat particular in where it chooses to grow.
A video on growing tabbacky: