SilentTala wrote:Huge dogs are out, unless they have small breed feeding habits! LOL
Silent Tala wrote:Huge dogs are out, unless they have small breed feeding habits! LOL
Jocelyn Campbell wrote:Also see the thread on the Northwest Farm Terriers, which are a smaller breed. I'll be posting some additional blurbs I found online that are consistent with our visit to the creators of this breed per podcast 25 animal harvest bees lgd.
Matt Walker wrote:I don't think any NWFT I've ever met would stand being left alone with livestock for very long. They are terriers, and want to do whatever you are doing. Very much people dogs.
If it is a dog and it is guarding my livestock--its a livestock guard dog, lol.
Jay Green wrote: The GP/lab mix girl was scared to death of cows and horses...deathly scared. How does a LGD get scared of livestock? Not sure.
Other dogs can have some of those characteristics, or be trained but I'd rather let 1000 years of farmer directed genetics give me a hand.
Jay Green wrote:Just might be able to get him for a bargain!
Chris Kott wrote:
Oh, and incidentally, there is a smaller Polish breed called the Polish Lowland Sheepdog(Polskie Owczarek Nizinny, or PON), which is a little larger than the target size (30 to 50 lbs) but might suit some needs/tastes. I admit I just remembered it now, and will be looking into them when I need to as well.
Jay Green wrote:I didn't take any pics, but that ugly brown dog with the squirrel in his mouth is a sheep cuddler born and true. He even licked the ewe's butts for them every chance he got and they would just stand there and lift the tail for him. They played tag every evening, first the sheep chased the dog, then the dog would chase the sheep. When a lamb was born, he would sound the alarm and summon me to the event..and this from a dog that rarely ever barks but does a lot of "talking" all the same. He and the lambs were boon companions and slept together, ate together and played together.
My GP/lab mix gal never had the rapport with the sheep that the Lab/BC mix dog did. She tolerated the sheep, she guarded the sheep...but she didn't love the sheep like Ol' Jake loved the sheep. Jake mourned the day they were sold and had much to say about it all, none of it pleasant. Lucy, the GP dog, was barely tolerant of the sheep and all their behaviors.
That blind spot that people have and preconceived notions of breed characteristics vs. individual dog characteristic is amusing to me. I also had three dogs that were high prey, bird dog breeds that never harmed a chicken in their lives. Only one would fetch anything, though they all three had retriever blood in them. The GP/lab mix girl was scared to death of cows and horses...deathly scared. How does a LGD get scared of livestock? Not sure.
The point is, not all LGD breeds are good LGDs and not all mutts are what they are presumed to be. The first pure Lab farm dog I had was an excellent herd dog~more responsive than any herding breed I've seen and with less noise or motion, excellent with all livestock, licked and loved on the meat rabbit kits, good in every way for livestock and home protection.
That LGD elitism is always a source of amusement to me!
Philip Green wrote:I think getting a LGD breed may increase your odds (say 99% of LGD breed dogs can be trained - if gotten as a puppy - to be a good LGD and 85% of non-LGD breed dogs can be trained - if gotten as a puppy - to be good LGD's... I just made those numbers up), but you don't have to get a LGD breed.