Permaculture Communities with No Wireless or Electric

Hello,
Are there any Permaculture communities that do not have cell service, wireless, Smart Meters, or electric in the US?
Especially an area that has cooler temps with low humidity in the Summer.

Thanks,
Tara
mustobeyacts2_38@yahoo.com
540-474-3146

Hi Tara,

I think there are still areas of the lab at wheaton labs that do not receive cell service. The lab is off-grid, so no smart meters or wifi up their either. (wheaton labs is actually comprised of two properties, base camp, which is on-grid, has wifi, etc.; and the laboratory, which is two miles down the road.)

There is a cell tower probably 5-10 miles away, and cell service has been improving on the lab as more carriers are added to the tower and such, which is why I'm not completely certain if all areas might receive a signal now or not.

The lab is pretty much surrounded by forest service or private timber land, so there is not much exposure to other types of signals there.

I know some people get terrible headaches and such from these kinds of electrical signals and it does seem there could be other health concerns, too.

Thank you. I contacted the people at Wheaton Labs and they said they do have good cell service on their properties. They suggested I put this post out to see if anyone else knows of areas that do not. If you hear of any, please let me know. It is hard to tell exactly without being on the property or in the area. Someone metering the area might give me a better idea. I have my own meter but really don't need it cause I am a walking sensor already. Usually though if they tell me it has good reception then it is a good indication that the wireless will be too strong for me. Obviously if it reaches the phone, then it reaches the body but I can feel it for miles. The more thermal mass like mountain, trees, and earth the better but if wireless is in a nook with surrounding thermal mass, then it will actually make it worse. Again, thanks.

look at this , but is in europe :
http://stefannovellinoportugal.cybersite.nu/

Thank you so much. That is what I'm looking for. The weird thing is that it looks like there are two towers in the photo on the left. Maybe I'm seeing things. They say it has no wireless. Any type of tower whether a cell tower, emergency or radio tower, or an antenna tower would have wireless. I will contact them and see what they say.
Thanks again.

Hello Tara
thanks for your intrest
the towers are to transport electricity , not sending towers .
They are far enough not to affect Shangri-La , an electrosensitiv guest could confirm that and it has been measured
also
There is electricity coming to the main house on the farm.
Did you read the website ??
at shangri-la we do not have any microwaves generating devices, and we do not have any neighbours.
there are three ruins without electricity , that could eventually be transformed into small liiving studioswithout electricity.
Or one could put up a camper /mobilehome or a cottage.
best regards
stefano

There must be others living like us, though without wifi.
We live miles from cell service, off the grid.
The house and shop have electricity from a solar system and we have satellite internet at the house only.
Balance of property (20+ acres) is wire/wireless free.

Good luck with your search!

Tara Sanders wrote: If you hear of any, please let me know. It is hard to tell exactly without being on the property or in the area. Someone metering the area might give me a better idea. I have my own meter but really don't need it cause I am a walking sensor already. ......

Well I can certainly tell you the here in SW Missouri you do not have to be very far from town or the interstate for the cell phone reception to really suck. I can stand on my back deck and see a tower at night and go around to the driveway and see a tower The lights are the give away at night. surely those are broadcast towers but I have not seen one of those lately that did not have cell phone antennae all over it. With towers obviously visible I can barely get two bars on a good day, 1 or zero is more common. Anyone who is coming for a vist is advised to call me from the edge of town because once they are out of town it is doubtful that they can make contact. While looking for land and house. The realtors phones were constantly going dead. I have been told that it has something to do with the geology (great depth of lime stone some of it with lots of iron and historically it was mined for blast furnaces in the richer deposits. I would not know about that but cell phone recpetion outside of town or 5 miles from the interstate essentially vanishes in many places around here. especially in any valleys. It is not just my service either because others with various services can"t get a connection either. Our communication here is either land line or landline DSL $attelite $service is available.but much of that still requires a land line for the uplink. I hope that helps

Thank you. Does anyone know of an off grid small cabin or rental I could rent that does not have wireless or electric around? I'm wondering if I could rent a place to see how I can stand being in the area. I do have a small 24 foot RV but a small cabin would be needed or a garage to store my house stuff. I also would need to be able to get some organic food from a grocery store every once in a while and be able to pay someone to get it for me. I'm not able to drive due to the EMFs on the vehicle engines. I could try a horse but there are issues with that as well. I am chemical and mold sensitive as well so a cabin with mold, plywoods, or lots of chemicals won't work. I would make my own small natural home if I could find a piece of land to buy far away enough from electric and wireless. Maybe someone who has an organic or permaculture property could even let me stay there in exchange for helping with some animals or something. I'm in a pretty desperate situation right now.

Hi Tara,

Greta has a place which may help

https://permies.com/t/19177/appalachia/share-Appalachian-permaculture-farm

There is an araa in Virginia/ West Virginia called The Quiet Zone,

which is where some folks with sensitivities have moved.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=virginia%2C+no+ceel+zone&pc=MOZI&form=MOZSBR

I hope this helps you.

THere are parts of SWVirginia which have lousy cell services.

You may also try and see if folks around Berea, Kentucky might know of resources in SE Kentycky.

maybe contact Berea College, started in 1851 as the first CO-ed, multiracial college--the school is all about Service.

They have their own Ecovillage for students and staff, so may know of good sustainable situations in that neck of the woods.

Tara Sanders wrote:Are there any Permaculture communities that do not have cell service, wireless, Smart Meters, or electric in the US?
Especially an area that has cooler temps with low humidity in the Summer.

That's asking a lot!!! When I travel in the Nevada deserts and mountains, I can travel for hours and hours without getting a cell signal or seeing electric lines. However, the reason for that, is that there are not many people around! Community is few and far between. Of course there is community, even in the remotest desert, but it's not the same type of community that you'd find in a city. Low humidity and modest temperatures in the summer? No problem in northeast Nevada. You didn't specify if you need water. Sorry about your luck.... I like the Park Valley area of Northern Utah. No cell coverage. Plenty of water. Electric in the area,  , but not saturation coverage.  Neighbors close enough to not feel isolated.

There are a lot of similar areas in Utah, Idaho, Montana, Nebraska, Wyoming, and Nevada, as long as you get about 20 miles or more away from an Interstate highway. To get a cell signal at a place that I stay in Nevada, I have to climb a hill about 1/2 mile away. It's a vigorous climb! And then the signal is spotty at best. There is some sections of road that I travel in which even AM/FM broadcast radio signals are greatly attenuated by the topography sometimes enough that nearly all stations drop out. I'm sure there are plenty of similar areas where the topography would provide shielding.

Thanks for the info.  I am taking notes on what everyone says.  I live near the Quiet Zone now.  Problem is land is very expensive and there are no rentals.  If they exist, they have mold or issues.  I'm looking to build some small natural homes, do a permaculture/organic property and open it up to others to share.  I found a great piece of land but don't have enough money to put down on it unless my RV sells.  If you hear of anyone interested in investing in land or anyone who wants to buy an RV, keep me in mind and thanks so much for all the comments.

I also started to look into Montana and out west and found out that because they have so many wild fires, the area can have severe smoke pollution and then they spray chemical fire retardants down on thousands of acres.  I am very chemical sensitive and can't handle that kind of smoke or chemicals and fire retardants are one of the worse chemical exposures you can get and it doesn't leave the body.  I will keep searching though.

We are looking for housemates and/or folks that want to put up a yurt, here in the Adirondack Mts.  We DO NOT use cellphones, but have computers plugged in to a fiber optic line that runs down the mountain....    The Quiet Zone sounds interesting!

Can I get some more info on the Adirondack Mts?  My contact info is below.  Thanks.

mustobeyacts2_38@yahoo.com
540-474-3146

Just curious,given your sensitivities how do you interact with the internet?
Is there someone who prints things out for you?

I get on real quick and check things, then get off.  I have a special set up where the computer is not even on this side of the house and I have no wireless or RF but I can no longer handle any type of EMFs, not even wired.  I have the internet until I move and then I won't have any phone or internet access again.  My health has deteriorated to much from it and my eyesight has been badly damaged from the EMFs and blue light.  I have on blue blocker glasses right now.  I have a family member that will be doing all my future transactions, searching, and purchasing after I move.  I already can not live my home except for very short few trips here.  I can't handle the EMFs from cars or cities.  There is more but too extensive explanation.  Many people can't even begin to understand how it affects someone's life.

The first thing I wondered is if there's an Amish style community somewhere that is large enough that the cell phone providers haven't bothered wiring it up yet.  

Finding a place with cool temps and low humidity does limit the options a bit if you want to avoid electrical infrastructure.  How "cool" is ok?  I'm sure there are parts of Canada that would be un-wired enough but that may be too cool.  Same for the UP of Michigan or Maine.  If money wasn't an option there are always private islands that would likely be isolated enough.

On a related (or unrelated) note, my brother in law spent several years with severe reactions to artificial light.  Headaches and vertigo were the main symptoms.  He tried every type of glasses, prescription drugs, acupuncture, botox, far-away experts...  He tried everything.  I'm not assuming this will help your situation but I figured I'd pass it along in case it could help.  He read two books by Norman Doidge and used the "exercises" in them to retrain his brain.  Now he's back at work and 95% better.  Once again, I don't want to push a solution without knowing anything about you but I'd be remiss if I didn't mention it.  Here are links to the books - The Brains Way of Healing   -   The Brain that Changes Itself

And I'm sorry in advance if my post is presumptive, assumptive, ignorant or disagreeable in any way...

Thanks for sharing about how you handle your condition.
Best of luck finding a refuge.

Thank you so much for the book info.  I appreciate all suggestions and do as much research as I am able to do.  I've been living an organic non-gmo chemical free life all my adulthood but some people just can't handle toxins even in small amounts and can't detoxify like others.  Almost all my money over the years has gone into my health with natural supplements, detoxifying, natural doctors, books, research, gadgets of every kind that people suggest I try and I will say that most things have helped me on some level.  Some things did nothing to help.  I still continue to study and try new things.  

I live in an area now that doesn't have hot or humid Summers.  I love it.  Just hoping the government will not bring in more wireless to this area as they are threatening to do this 2017 with the 5G spectrum and Global Wifi.  There won't be any place to go in the US to get away from it according to Tom Wheeler (FCC).  They also will be chipping everything that can be chipped with this new Big Brother program according to Mr. Wheeler.

There are millions of Americans suffering from wireless and are homeless because of it and can't work or go in public.  It is also creating a mold epidemic since wireless increases mold over 600 times in our bodies and environment and this includes the biotoxins in Lyme Disease.  I am taking info also from any organic/Permaculture farms or areas that also have low EMF or no wireless from foreign countries as well so if anyone knows of any foreign countries that have safe spots, feel free to pass the info.  It may be the next place we will have to try to go as refugees.  
God bless.

Not sure if this is a fit for you but it just popped up and I thought of you.

EMF sensitive community

I've heard the leader of a community in rural Missouri speak on a podcast.  They were non-electric except for a solar panel abd tiny fridge for one member's diabetes medicine.   They didn't have a car either.

Tara your search for such an area is what I’m looking for as well though for different reasons but avoiding the effects ofn5G once it drops appears impossible but I’m sure someone can enlighten! As a Kansas farm boy my abilities run as deep as the gypsy blood from Southern California where my mother lived until the age I am now 37. If a carpenter, hydroponic/ gardener who tamed be beast of building homes on the tundra in Nome and St. Lawrence Island sounds handy. I’m recently divorced and free as a bird now and looking for a new challenge and places to fly fish let me know

I know this thread is old but...... any news? Did anyone find a place? I'm looking to find land to start a village would love to be cell phone free.

Just move to Green Bank, WV area. Because of the government telescope protection, cell towers and wifi are prohibited anywhere around there, no 5G. Electricity is your choice.

I have 22 organic acres in SW Wis . Hills & Valleys in a protected little oasis that is open to buy in or rent by the month, etc ! It is probably one of the safest areas you will find ! There is a lot of hype around Green Bank & from what I have heard from folks that have lived there, ......it is not cracked up to be what we here ! Looking to have several people here eventually ! Hope this helps someone !  Dell

Dell Knapp wrote:I have 22 organic acres in SW Wis . Hills & Valleys in a protected little oasis that is open to buy in or rent by the month, etc ! It is probably one of the safest areas you will find ! There is a lot of hype around Green Bank & from what I have heard from folks that have lived there, ......it is not cracked up to be what we here ! Looking to have several people here eventually ! Hope this helps someone !  Dell

Not sure what you mean about Green Bank not cracked to be...Green Bank  - you can't get cell service anywhere around there, not to mention in Northeastern WV mountains cell service is very hard to come by in general, the ridges are a lot taller than anything in WI and there's no signal over entire large areas. But there will be no signal in Green Bank, while they can bring it elsewhere by installing more towers. Green Bank is a VERY nice area to be in, nature-wise, National Forests around, not that many ticks or tick disease compared to states West and North of it, and not that hot of a summer. And no tornados unlike in states West of it.

I would be interested in possibilities in Europe, and I am flexible with locations and countries. Anyone out there also keen on joining forces to create a permaculture community without (or wth limited) wireless? Many possibilities, interested in further discussion.

Finding housing as an electrosensitive person is incredibly difficult in today's world.

If anyone comes across this thread in their search, we currently have space available for a fragrance-free, non-EMF individual(s) in NW Georgia, USA. The home is not completely free of cell reception, but it is the best we've found within the constraints of today's reality. I am electrosensitive and can sleep well there.

There are tons of trees, beautiful trails nearby, and lakes for fishing.

More info: https://permies.com/t/191678/Space-fragrance-free-EMF-individual

Feel free to reach out if you'd like to talk more about it (or about this topic in general).

Elle Walker wrote:Finding housing as an electrosensitive person is incredibly difficult in today's world.

If anyone comes across this thread in their search, we currently have space available for a fragrance-free, non-EMF individual(s) in NW Georgia, USA. The home is not completely free of cell reception, but it is the best we've found within the constraints of today's reality. I am electrosensitive and can sleep well there.

There are tons of trees, beautiful trails nearby, and lakes for fishing.

More info: https://permies.com/t/191678/Space-fragrance-free-EMF-individual

Feel free to reach out if you'd like to talk more about it (or about this topic in general).

Hello Elle, I'll send you a message : )

Opal-Lia Palmer wrote:I know this thread is old but...... any news? Did anyone find a place? I'm looking to find land to start a village would love to be cell phone free.

Just fyi, I have 1.5 acres now in Northern Idaho near the Montana border to start, looking for others to join me on an adventure to build a village/community and will need larger lands in the future. I want to have a public space like library/office to hardwire with ethernet ( No WIFI)  then we can go home to our emf free zone and relax. Just one of my many ideas.  Check out my post on in villages here on Permies.
https://permies.com/t/190261/live-community-village-Idaho-Join#1567274

Opal-Lia Palmer wrote:

Opal-Lia Palmer wrote:I know this thread is old but...... any news? Did anyone find a place? I'm looking to find land to start a village would love to be cell phone free.

Just fyi, I have 1.5 acres now in Northern Idaho near the Montana border to start, looking for others to join me on an adventure to build a village/community and will need larger lands in the future. I want to have a public space like library/office to hardwire with ethernet ( No WIFI)  then we can go home to our emf free zone and relax. Just one of my many ideas.  Check out my post on in villages here on Permies.
https://permies.com/t/190261/live-community-village-Idaho-Join#1567274

I like this thinking, one space where there is access to that connectivity, and all the rest free from that, which is what I want for simplicity to have what can be growing there for needed things, in sustainable living I would want to see spreading in practice to more who would do this, which more in the same location can be involved with me and share in.

Tara Sanders wrote:Thank you.  Does anyone know of an off grid small cabin or rental I could rent that does not have wireless or electric around?  I'm wondering if I could rent a place to see how I can stand being in the area.  I do have a small 24 foot RV but a small cabin would be needed or a garage to store my house stuff.  I also would need to be able to get some organic food from a grocery store every once in a while and be able to pay someone to get it for me.  I'm not able to drive due to the EMFs on the vehicle engines.  I could try a horse but there are issues with that as well.  I am chemical and mold sensitive as well so a cabin with mold, plywoods, or lots of chemicals won't work.  I would make my own small natural home if I could find a piece of land to buy far away enough from electric and wireless.  Maybe someone who has an organic or permaculture property could even let me stay there in exchange for helping with some animals or something.  I'm in a pretty desperate situation right now.  

have you tried this website..... lessemf.com
Amazing fabric and tents to place over your sleeping area. And if you believe in Frequency of colors, wear yellow and paint outside home yellow to protect against 5g.