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PTJ Event 2022 - Spinning Wheel from Bike Parts

 
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Discuss the design of a "Spinning Wheel from Bike Parts".

Found this online and think it is a great option for this project!


Bike Parts and Spinning Wheel Styles


The instructor for this artifact is Opalyn Rose! "Opalyn has been exploring a truly raw-material life while stewarding land and community in south-central Washington. Opalyn tends the sheep and the forest, transforming a fleece or a tree into not only yarn and lumber but clothing and snowmen too.  She brings her love of that transformation to the classroom sharing her skills while helping you develop yours. "



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Are you interested or inspired to build a spinning wheel that looks sort of like this (it would need a spindle where the basket of fiber is):

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Click thumbs up to vote for a charka style!
 
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Are you interested or inspired to build a spinning wheel that looks like this:

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Click thumbs up to vote for a saxony style!
 
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Are you interested or inspired to build a spinning wheel that looks like this:

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Click thumbs up to vote for a Castle Wheel!
 
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I love the look of the traditional Saxony type wheels but most bike wheel spinning wheels I see are upright castle type.  Also many home made wheels are spindle wheels not flyer wheels.  What are your plans?

Grin I have always thought it would be cool to build a Rio Grande type spindle wheel with a bike wheel....  
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a treadled great wheel called a Rio Grande
a treadled great wheel called a Rio Grande
 
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Dorothy Pohorelow wrote:Grin I have always thought it would be cool to build a Rio Grande type spindle wheel with a bike wheel....  


Thanks for adding this option!

I was initially thinking about a charka wheel or a castle wheel.  The Rio Grande is beautiful and lends itself to a spindle instead of a flyer.  
 
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It came about as an accident.  The woman was trying to describe a great wheel to her husband who had never seen one... He had seen treadle wheels...  They have almost a cult like following.  But honestly it is a good compromise and using a spindle is normally a lot easier then trying to balance a flyer.  

Spinoff has plans for something called a Little Great Wheel which is almost a charkha or could even be a good bobbin winder made from stuff from the hardware store.  It is also has some good ideas you could extend to a spindle wheel build. The download link is at the bottom of the blurb...    https://spinoffmagazine.com/making-dreams-come-true-building-a-little-great-wheel-by-margaret-heathman/
 
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The charka would be of most interest to me. With my limited knowledge, it seems like it would be most compatible with bike part.

The Saxony type does look gorgeous.

 
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The hardest part to get right (it needs very careful balance and has so many areas that can go wrong) is the flyer.  Before they had those, they had spindle wheels like a Great Wheel or charkha.  

The cool thing about spindle wheels is that once you get the hang of it you can make yarn 10-50 times faster than on a flyer wheel.  

I find hand-powered spindle wheels to be more efficient than treadle, as you have to frequently stop, go back, wind on the yarn, go forward... A bit like drop spindles.  There is a way to do it while keep treadling, but I find it cumbersome and not great for finer yarns.
Staff note (Opalyn Rose) :

I'm leaning towards a spindle wheel or a purchased flyer.

 
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Purchased flyer is one way to go - but then you are greatly restricted in how the motehrofall is built (the area that holds the stuff for making/stashing yarn).  It looks like a flyer costs between $100-600 Canadian.  Plus shipping.

It's not much more to get a full motherofall which will have the bearings for the flyer and the maidens (uprights that hold the flyer) spaced at the right distance.  

If I was building a wheel with a flyer, I would probably make one so I can make the flyer and bobbin(s) to fit the maiden distance - or maybe use the front forks of the bike for the maidens, then make a forward flyer system where the flyer fits in front of the maidens.

The thing with a flyer, it really wants a treadle and that adds complexity. But that also has advantages.  


Staff note (Opalyn Rose) :

this is a four-hour build at the PTJ so I'm attempting to be creative and work with the timing of the event.

 
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are you interested in a seated version?
This is not a spinning wheel yet but could be the start of one.


Here is a bicycle blender that could be the framework for a pedal-powered spinning wheel:
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Here is a bicycle blender that could be the framework for a pedal-powered spinning wheel
Here is a bicycle blender that could be the framework for a pedal-powered spinning wheel
 
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This one is likely a four-hour build:

I would not have it on wheels but a stable base or table unit.
 
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That last one shown has a lot going for it.   The link I put in for the "Little Great Wheel" has folks using a piece of metal rod for the spindle BUT I have seen some jury rigged spindles made from knitting needles and pieces of dowel.  The Doedec uses a dowel for the spindle...  that plan is also a free download but I think the information in the "Little Great Wheel" plans would be easier to convert to a larger wheel using a bike wheel.  
 
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I think a seat version is a really cool way to incorporate more bikes parts.
 
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4 hour build.  

Do you have access to thingy for cutting and putting metal back together?  Can it have wood base?

I would go with a tabletop spindle wheel.  something like just the top half of this:

You can also use it on the floor like a lot of charkha wheels.  Put something on one end of the wood so you can hang it on the wall when not in use.  

Make sure to make a big bright red felted ball for the spindle tip when not in use.  

but that's just one of many possible ways to go with this project.  It's just what matches my style of spinning.  

 
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Some great wheels for others to see
Pure delight by spindledreams, on Flickr

AND this is Tom Thumb.  He was given to me as a great wheel but notice his size.  He was found in an attic with a lot of weaving looms.  Besides the size of his wheel he has other differences to my great wheels.  There is no post to raise his spindle and no really easy way to adjust the tension on his drive band.  The most striking difference is his spindle its self.  All the great wheels I have seen have tapered spindles coming to a point that you spin off of.  Tom Thumb has a straight spindle with no change in diameter.   It holds weaving bobbins for boat shuttles nicely and he is actually quite easy to use for that purpose.    Even though Tom Thumb is an antique wheel made of wood he does show how a bike wheel could be used to make a nice walking wheel.

whole wheel head in base by spindledreams, on Flickr  

small wheel by spindledreams, on Flickr
 
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r ranson wrote:
Do you have access to thingy for cutting and putting metal back together?


Yes.  I do personally and so does WL.


Can it have wood base?


Great Question!  I don't yet have any design specifics from WL just a request to design and build an artifact for the PTJ.
 
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Another option.

This was very popular in the part of Englan my family is from in the 1940-50s.  It was for anything that took circular energy.  The knife sharpener was the most famous.  I always thought it would be a great way to do a spinning wheel.  Put some nice big removable baskets on the side front and back, and you've got the perfect transport to sell yarn at the local farmers market.

A regular bike (this was without gears, but might work better with).

Ride it to the location.  Put it up on the stand (it was a strong stand), not like the modern kickstand.  More like a motorbike stand.

Disengage the bike chain from the back wheel.  Loop it on a fly-wheel mounted to one side of the rat trap.

Move the seat so it faces backwards.

Run a drive band or belt from the flywheel to the flyer assembly.  

Pedal and spin.
 
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alas, no photos
 
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Something else to look at for your bike wheel design are wheels made by Babes Fiber Garden.  Their wheels are made using wheel chair  wheels.  While their PVC frames will not work for you they can give you some good ideas.   AND they actually have a charka they called their Liten Spindel Charka.
 
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Dorothy Pohorelow wrote:Babes Fiber Garden - Liten Spindel Charka.


Project will not include pvc but a good overall design
 
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You folks are absolutely amazing. I read a lot but again you are miles above me. I wondered what language you were speaking. That is how far above y'all are. Not too many other comments except from you pros. Again an indication of how PRO you are.

I think I am going to enjoy trying to understand this, NO, some of this!! A etsy bitsy tiny shred of this.

AAAAAAmazing!!
 
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I like all things made 'like a bicycle' on which you can sit and pedal and make some tool move without using electricity. Especially the 'bicycle blender'.
Not so much a spinning wheel. I had a spinning wheel (the Saxony type), the way that works does not change by making it from bicycle parts. If you don't have a spinning wheel and you do have an old bicycle (and you want to have a spinning wheel), then of course you can use those bicycle parts instead of wood ...
 
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r ranson wrote:Another option.

This was very popular in the part of Englan my family is from in the 1940-50s.  It was for anything that took circular energy.  The knife sharpener was the most famous.  I always thought it would be a great way to do a spinning wheel.  Put some nice big removable baskets on the side front and back, and you've got the perfect transport to sell yarn at the local farmers market.

A regular bike (this was without gears, but might work better with).

Ride it to the location.  Put it up on the stand (it was a strong stand), not like the modern kickstand.  More like a motorbike stand.

Disengage the bike chain from the back wheel.  Loop it on a fly-wheel mounted to one side of the rat trap.

Move the seat so it faces backwards.

Run a drive band or belt from the flywheel to the flyer assembly.  

Pedal and spin.


You mean this Knife Sharpener?

 
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Inge Leonora-den Ouden wrote:

r ranson wrote:Another option.

You mean this Knife Sharpener?



Is there a link to a description or a link to a video for the above, Inge Leonora?

 
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OH just remembered another possibility for your spinning wheel.  Carson Cooper has really simplified his French wheel and something like this could work well with that bike wheel  

These photos were ganked from his website but I wanted yall to be able to see the wheel I was talking about easily.  If you want to see more please go there
http://www.ztwist.com

Colette-gallery2 http://www.ztwist.com/gallery.html

Colette  http://www.ztwist.com/gallery.html
 
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Starting Design Phase and Parts list for a wheel that will look something like this:
It will either be a tabletop/floor unit or be on legs like the Tom Thumb or Great Wheels that have been shown in this thread.
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Spindle wheel using front forks from two bicycles
Spindle wheel using front forks from two bicycles
 
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Well, we did it.  And it's awesome.  Well done, Opalyn!!!











 
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Now here's a big question.   Are you offering step by step building plans for the non-engineering minds?  My fiber arts are limited to a little sewing and on very rare occasions a little crochet and I still look at these pictures and covet. Don't know where I'd put it or what I'd use it with so I just intend to enjoy the rare emotion.
 
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