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Mattresses for petite side sleepers

 
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After sleeping on our current mattress for several decades, my partner and I are on the research hunt for a new one. Given our body types, permaculturish standards and hot climate where we live, we have come up with a short list of strict characteristics of what we are looking for in our mattress:
The mattress must be made out of natural materials and ideally organic where possible. For example: natural latex (bouncy), wool (naturally flame retardant - firefighter coats used to be made out of wool), organic cotton (covering), etc.
Medium to Medium-soft firmness. Mattress experts tend to recommend these firmness ratings petite body size slide-sleepers - which includes both of us!
As we are in a hot climate, the mattress must be temperature cool. Mattress experts are saying that latex with cools coils (aka: "hybrid" mattresses) are both good cooling characteristics. Some research I've read is claiming that talalay latex is more cooling than dunlop latex.

It’s been a very long time since we’ve looked at mattresses, so if anyone has any permacultural advice for us on this topic, it is greatly welcomed and appreciated.

Note: We are not receiving any kickbacks whatsoever from any of these producers. We simply want to share what we’ve found in our own research to help others who are in the same boat as us.
That said, if you know of any dubious greenwashing from any of these products &/or producers please mention them in this thread as a warning and hopefully as positive pressure on producers to improve their practices.

Given all of the above, we’ve come up with the following list of mattresses that are currently highest on our list and are within our budget; we hope all of our hours of research help someone out who has similar needs:

Eco TerraHybrid Latex Mattress.

Hybrid Latex Mattress: The Luxury Bliss.

Birch Natural Mattress.

Happsy Organic Mattress.

EcoCloud by WinkBeds.

Nest Natural Hybrid Latex.

Other mattresses that we looked at that have high "green" / "eco" standards were the Avocado Mattresses, the Awara Natural Foam Organic Mattress, and the EcoSleep Hybrid by Brooklyn Bedding. While these mattresses may be great for stomach sleepers, back sleepers, and heavier set body types, they are all listed as too firm for our needs.

While we do our best most of the time to engage in the regenerative, permacultural maker, zero-waste paradigm, we are aware that these mattresses listed here fall within the “green / eco-conscious” low-waste paradigm that preceded the current regenerative movement. If you’ve got information on regenerative mattress design and makers, we would also love to have that info included in this thread and will consider them in our next mattress purchase. Looking forward to hearing from folks as this is a big price item that will get a lot of use for a very long time.

Thanks in advance. :-)
 
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Last year we bought a new mattress...or rather a mattress topper and a shikibuton that we layered. Bottom is latex, on the quite firm end of the scale, but I don't remember the number. On top we have cotton. Both layers are three inches thick. I'm 130lbs and my husband is 160, and we both sleep mainly on our sides. My husband has bony hips that are sensitive to pressure and he loves our mattress. It was a little soft for me at first, but I've gotten used to it.

I like having two layers so I can carry the shikibuton up and down the loft ladder and hang it outside in the sun.
 
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Here's some info about buckwheat hull mattresses. I think they might have a special offer in digital marketplace forum too.
 
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I went with sleeping organic...

https://sleepingorganic.com/

They have organic dunlap and natural talalay. If you are a petite side sleeper you will want the softest configuration you can get. I’m a side sleeper and a big and tall male and I have the softest talalay as my top layer (the lighter you are, the firmer a foam will feel, so go for super soft).

I did some research (foam softness level is fairly confusing and has three different units to measure the softness/firm levels of foam. Everyone mixes them in a fairly scrambled manner). When I decoded it all, and compared the firmness level of different companies, the softest talalay was from sleeping organic.

I also love that the organic cover has a zipper top (if any one layer of latex compresses/breaks down over time, I can replace the individual layer or even the cover if I need to. The price was very reasonable and I am very happy with the mattress.

I also got an adjustable base (from wayfair, sleeping organic had crazy high prices on their adjustable bases). An adjustable base on a quality foam bed is really nice. You can tilt the head and feet a little and it helps with sinus/snoring issues.

Feel free to hit me with any questions. I don’t work for them, I just happened to have bought my bed from them and I suspect my requirements were similar to yours (organic or as close to it as possible, zipper on the cover, and crazy comfortable for a side sleeper).

Good Luck!
 
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Paul Eusey wrote:I

They have organic dunlap and natural talalay. If you are a petite side sleeper you will want the softest configuration you can get. I’m a side sleeper and a big and tall male and I have the softest talalay as my top layer (the lighter you are, the firmer a foam will feel, so go for super soft). !



I'd say this is very much to taste and not a rule. I looked back in my email and found my invoice. I got Dunlop latex, firm, which is supposedly iLD 35-42. I find it very soft. I suppose at 130lbs I'm not terribly petite, though. I'd also rather sleep on a blanket than a mattress, so I may be an outlier. At this point my husband would fall over laughing that I said may be instead of am in that last sentence.
 
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My wife likes firm and is much much lighter than I am. She wishes she had gone with the Talalay extra soft (ILD 14-18) for the top layer on her side and she often naps on my side of the bed... I just checked the sleeping organic web site and for some reason they didn’t have the Talalay extra soft listed as a choice (like they did a few months ago). So they might have stopped carrying it or are out of stock. If you like what they have, you can call them to find out what’s going on (I couldn’t find anyone else with foam that soft, and that is really nice foam).
 
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@Jan: Thanks for your input on the weight variations in your experience. A lot of these "mattress experts" use the word "petite" without defining the exact weight range they are referring too. I suppose that my partner and I might both be on the "heavier" side of petite. Not sure. Partner claims that she likes a firmer mattress, so we may end up doing a split level. Our next step is to go into mattress stores and test a few out and get a better idea before we spend this kind of dough.

@Mike B: Thanks for that link! The buckwheat hull mattress is DIY and affordable! So affordable in fact that it's definitely worth a test run IMO! I'll run that model by my partner as well. Thanks again.

@Paul: Woah! Totally customizable! I love the looks of this option! Two things might bump it from our list though: 1. supposedly coils (hybrid latex) add more cooling which is very important for our hot climate, and 2. Sleeping Organic recommends the 4-layer latex configuration for petite side-sleepers, which is great advice, but it unfortunately knocks that mattress out of our price range.
Also, on your comment about your wife wanting the extra soft on top: most all of these companies offer an "extra soft" mattress topper that can be added to the top of the mattress. Maybe she could get a smaller topper (eg. twin) and just put it on her side & see how she likes it. This is what I'm thinking about doing for myself as my partner claims that she likes it firmer.

Thanks again everyone! This is all so helpful! :-)
 
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Mike Kenzie wrote:

supposedly coils (hybrid latex) add more cooling

Sleeping Organic recommends the 4-layer latex configuration for petite side-sleepers

Most all of these companies offer an "extra soft" mattress topper that can be added to the top of the mattress.




I’m a cool bed kinda person and I have had all sorts of mattresses over the years, including high end organic with coils, and I can’t notice any difference in them heat wise. I sweat just as bad on all of them. I was worried that a “all foam” bed would be warmer and it’s not.

The all foam mattress does much better on an adjustable base and I really like the adjustable bed even though I never read nor watch tv in bed. I just adjust for sleeping angle and can elevate the legs if I hurt/strain my back.

I’ve got the 3 layer mattress and it’s great for side sleepers. If I had to buy the bed all over again, I would still choose the 3 layer mattress.

The extra soft mattress toppers offered by all the other companies have the same softness rating as sleeping organic’s second softest foam. If sleeping organic gets their extra soft talalay option back, then it is the softest of all. (I did the shopping to get my wife a topper and I compared them all). She has been procrastinating getting the topper because they are not cheap and I suspect she is still trying to rationalize the expense (she is stubborn). I figured I would just buy it one of these days as a surprise (easier to ask forgiveness vs permission kinda thing).

A little background on how I got here... I got a sleep number bed way back when they first came out and I loved it until one of the air bladders blew a seam and it was going to take 6 to 8 weeks to get a replacement. That introduced me to a mattress with a zipper on the cover that allowed repair vs replace (even tho I didn’t opt to wait for that repair).

I then replaced it with a high end organic foam/coil mattress which didn’t have a zipper top and wore out fairly quick. The warranty process was so FUBAR’d that I didn’t bother with all the hoops and red tape and shipping to Canada at my expense. My next one was a different brand, high end organic that was nice. It didn’t have the zipper and my son had a few pee accidents on it when he was little and that ended that bed as well as led to the zipper top being a requirement.

That super soft foam isn’t as soft when you put it under a quilted cover (and also under an organic mattress protector), it’s still softer than the heavier foam under that same cover and protector, but it’s not like you are sleeping on a memory foam bed or anything. It still feels like a traditional mattress but a soft one without as much spring, just a little more cushy. My son (now 7) loves jumping on my bed and does it any time he gets the chance (foam is still springy, it’s just not “as” springy as a coil mattress, and the base has zero spring as it is an adjustable bed base and has to be rigid).

Bottom line is that now that I have a bed with a zipper cover, there is no component I can’t replace, including the cover. So in the future, I’m not going to be throwing down 2 to 8 grand on a total mattress replacement, I can get by with 2 to 6 hundred to replace a part of it (a single layer of foam or perhaps the cover).

My sleeping organic bed is not a single mattress, it’s 2 twin xl mattresses side by side, (which makes it the same size as a king)... So I can use the twin xl fitted sheets if the separate adjustable bases are going to be independent. I can use a single king fitted sheet if I have the bases linked (1 remote controls both sides at the same time). Regardless, the top sheet and top bedding is always king sized. And yes, I was worried that the split mattresses was going to bother us, but it’s actually quite nice and has more pros than cons (including repair cost).

Good Luck!

 
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