several months ago when alan carter was here and there was a giveaway for his book, he mentioned here about some woody possibilities for the forest garden, namely koshiabura and harigiri, both woody members of araliaceae that grow wild in japan, and whose shoots are foraged in the springtime as sansai - ‘mountain vegetables’.
does anyone have leads on seeds or cuttings for these plants, or others used similarly? the latin names for the two mentioned are Kalopanax septemlobus and Chengiopanax sciadophylloides. i know of some wild domestic araliaceae and have access to several - that’s not what i’m looking for here. alan is in the uk and the sources on his website don’t seem geared towards the us, but i haven’t dug into them too deeply.