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Paul continues his call with some of his Patreons, specifically Julia Winter, Katy, and Ryan, along with the hijackee, Elliot, and Kyle Neath pops out of the woodwork as well.

Plans are being formulated to hold similar permaculture smackdowns every week or two, either with an open format like this two-parter, or to do book reviews either as a whole or as chapter-by-chapter.  Currently looking like the next smackdown will be on Sepp Holzer’s Desert or Paradise, although the reviews probably won’t be as informed as Paul and Alan Booker’s reviews on the Big Black Book.  Another possible plan for a future podcast is to consolidate Paul’s three-part “How to Shop for Land” guide that he wrote for “Make it Missoula” a few years ago.

How does Bitcoin mesh with permaculture values?  On the Lightning network each individual transaction costs less than 1 cent, so it costs next to no electricity, despite someone’s claim that each transaction costs enough energy to run a house for two months.  Assuming a house costs $200 of energy per month, that’s $400 per transaction, yet you get charged less than $0.01?  Some muddy numbers somewhere.  Or more likely someone trying to dip the price so that they can buy in.  The problem is with the Bitcoin miners that run huge computer farms that just consume tonnes of electricity in order to get Bitcoin.  On the other hand, it’s probably more efficient than mining gold, and printing FIAT or paper money isn’t free either.  

In a close parallel to Paul’s SKIP programme, Joel Salatin’s “Fields of Farmers” describes the barriers that established farmers (called curmudgeons in the book) have to get their land to a new generation of farmers.  Joel says that he’s been contacted by hundreds of farmers to find decent people to will their land to.  His book is likely to be reviewed in a future Permaculture smackdown podcast.

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Great to see the smackdown is back.  

Regarding the Joel Salatin thing, it looks like this time it was him was being a dumbf***, and though I haven't heard his side of the story I read about his actions from people who seem to have accomplished a ton against great odds and much awfulness, and who would be really great to have on the podcast someday, Sylvanaqua farm: https://www.sylvanaqua.com/.  His article about permaculture growing up is on the same lines as a lot of what you're about, making it more a part of the mainstream.  Glad you're going to research it before coming to conclusions.  From what I'm seeing, I hope Salatin has made/will make amends and we can all just work together for what needs to be done.  It's a waste for people who are doing important work to be fighting each other.

That said, I'm glad you're doing Desert or Paradise, I just got that from the library!
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