Joshua Myrvaagnes

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Connected or reconnected. Fit with the right cycles and in the right season. Nourished and nurtured with natural energy. Aware of place and part.
Student of nature's intelligence and permaculture, want to live in community, teach human movement with my hands, in light of F. M. Alexander's discoveries.
Ask me about drL, the rotational-mob-grazing format for human interactions.
Massachusetts, 6b, suburban, nearish coast, 50x50, full sun, 40" year-round even distribution
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Other tools from outside the intentional community world--such as this one:

Have you ever done that at the Lab?  paired programming, facilitating the hive mind, going from one star player to a group that is a star collectively.  This is what I'm talking about.
I'm so glad you shared about your story, Paul, it makes it much clearer where you're coming from and why you're doing things in the particular way.  A lot of it was already clear, but this filled in some important pieces.

I also didn't get that you'd been so intimately involved in the communities movement, maybe I just missed that piece about helping incubate communities but that should definintely be in the thorns book as helping clarify the context for that.

I still think there are innovations in cooperation that are worth learning from outside the communities movement--drL, movement communication.  Things that go beyond sociocracy and consensus decisionmaking.


I so strongly identify with the click.  I also feel there have been so many different clicks in my life which I thought I had to do, and of course I can't do non-sustainable anything sustainably but I have to do these other things once I've gotten my house in order.  If I can get most of my food from people nearby whose methods feel right to me, heat with a reasonable amount of wood, basically be in the black ecologically, then I have always thought I would put my time into art-making and teaching.  It's not disconnected from creating a better world, but it's more indirect.

But I also think of the post-toxin, post-automobile, post-degenerative-disease, post-petroleum world as inevitable, it's so clear to me that I sometimes don't feel the same pressure that it has to be me who gets us there.  If it takes a few generations to get there, that's OK.  It's just the deception that I find demoralizing (fake progress dressed up as progress).  But an honest "this is a transitional measure" propane tank with a real plan for what's going to replace it feels tolerable to me.

Would I like to be neck-deep in permaculture? absolutely.  Can I feel OK about just making real net progress toward that (vs. fake progress)? usually.  Am I making real progress? mostly.  This year was a mixed bag, going from electric baseboard heating to oil forced air...out of the frying pan and into the fire.  But I managed to pass the ecoposer test.  

I'm too bonkers about permaculture for most people around me and not quite enough to be able to tolerate and figure out the worky-job thingy and make the money to make a permaculture paradise happen through sheer force of will.  

To be continued

paul wheaton wrote:

Joshua Myrvaagnes wrote:Can you take some temperature readings from the wofati even if it's not occupied?  


Will we?  Very doubtful.

Awesome! just saw your reply.  Thanks.
I had in mind just once a month, and assuming it doesn't necessitate anyone getting exposed to anything toxic.  It wouldn't be giving us an exact reading of it but if it makes the concept that much closer to proven that's worth a lot to people considering building one.  Not trying to put more fire on your hair, just seems like a small amount of investment for a decent return.  Thanks again Jen for all the temperature readings you've been giving us!
Can you take some temperature readings from the wofati even if it's not occupied?  Please and thanks.

I have a lot to say about this, am really glad I've listened to it--will post more after I finish.  

Thanks for giving a review Mike.  Can you share more about the unique "human permaculture" idea? have you found it applicable and practical, have the strategies worked? any ways that can work during Covid?  Thanks
5 days ago
Hello Permies,

This would be an ideal stepping stone for someone for a year or a few while plotting their escape from the City.

Mature peartree, raised bed sunchokes in purchased (lead-free) soil, one year of soil-building, large quantity of biomass gathered, rain catchment and some systems worked out for a semi-urban situation.  Also a lot of soil amendment on hand from fowl.  Looking for people who understand permacutlure/whole systems and want to sustain this project from year 2.  It takes about 8 years to reach critical mass with these systems, so year 1 is an invaluable resource and stewardship is priceless.

We live in Belmont, but the Watertown-y part of Belmont, and it's literally Cambridge across the street from us.  

If I get a massive response I'll set up a group videoconference tour at a set time.  Send me a purple mooseage with a description of your permaculture experience and vision.

Thanks so much for considering it and for thinking of future generations.

In community,


More info:

Bottom line, if you just don't cut down the two walnuts you've made an adequate contribution to a serious supply of local protein and fats for 100-350 years.  

About 50x50, full sun, plus a few other microclimates.

We live in Belmont near Cambridge.  71 and 73 bus are right there, which are quiet and run extremely frequently to Harvard Square (ten minutes if it's not rush hour).

6 days ago
The instructions I read said to put some comb in the jars to start them (and the design has a roof over everything so they're in the dark except when you harvest.). The company went out of business, but they were in business for a while so there should be some good experience to draw on from people using it.  They said put the jars out with comb a week ahead of when "the main honey flow" (, not sure how to know when that is.  one advantage is being able to see what's going on inside the hive without disrupting things by pulling the hive open.
I hope there are other companies making this, but it's hard to find and the reviewer said there was only one company at the time the wrote.  It doesn't seem too hard to build if you have tools to make a hole into the jar (even if the hole doesn't fit the lid exactly but is smaller, the lid can be attached with other means).

Regarding the factory farming aspect of this, I can't speak to it yet, but the human-made box form doesn't seem more natural than the round jar as far as that goes.  Round is nature's way, from the shape of a bone to a leaf to a foxhole.  I've request Song of Increase from the library so I will get more up to speed soon.

1 week ago

Heather Sharpe wrote:I've always stored mine dry until I needed them and seen others do similar. I would think that if your water had much by way of dissolved minerals, they might build up on the stone over time and be irksome. But that would depend on your water chemistry. I don't know if there's a pH at which it would degrade the stone? I'd think it would need to be pretty low.

Thanks, hadn't thought of that.  Maybe rainwater would be best?

I love that I got a reply to this from someone named "Sharpe"!!
3 weeks ago