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Location: Saskatchewan Zone 2b-3a maybe 3b
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"eveloped over the past 50 years by Operation Hope founder Allan Savory...
challenges the dominant theory that desertification is caused by overgrazing.
Savory’s approach is based on a singular insight: grasses can’t graze themselves.
``` Large herbivores do three important things:
1. Break soil crusts 2. Compact the soil under their hooves 3. Return standing grass plant material (dead or alive) to the soil surface earlier than if the animals not been there. "
Joel Hollingsworth
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I really liked the discussion of plans. This sort of thinking is anathema to, for example, objectivism.
"the qualities of these bacteria, like the heat of the sun, electricity, or the qualities of metals, are part of the storehouse of knowledge of all men. They are manifestations of the laws of nature, free to all men and reserved exclusively to none." SCOTUS, Funk Bros. Seed Co. v. Kale Inoculant Co.
Abe Connally
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His Holistic Management Planning method can be used for just about anything, but it is really good for planning land use among lots of people (like a community).
It is interesting to develop a holistic goal for your family and property, and then go through things and see how your current setups and methods pass the tests.
It's a really excellent talk; I've linked to it many times.
For an equally good follow-up, I'll link to this one again as well:
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Susanna de Villareal-Quintela
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Joel Hollingsworth wrote: I really liked the discussion of plans. This sort of thinking is anathema to, for example, objectivism.
I don't know that I agree (and it may be off topic for this threat but...). Can you elaborate on why you believe the discovery is anathema to objectivism?
For an equally good follow-up, I'll link to this one again as well:
Wow. That was amazing.
I'll be doing an internship with Greg Judy from Jan-May of 2012. I'd love to share my experiences with you all. Maybe a podcast Paul?
Agricultural Insights - www.AgriculturalInsights.com Daily Podcast/Blog about Sustainable Agriculture
Jeffrey Hodgins
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Location: Yucatan Puebla Ontario BC
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I feel the need to add that young trees must be protected from grazing in order to perpetuate savannah like the one in the photos. It Is well documented that cattle will choose acacia over grass eating the vast majority of new acacia trees. I wonder how long savannah could last if new trees were not planted due to poverty and lack of interest in preservation. I wonder how many acacia saplings are eaten in savannah world wide on a daily basis. I'm not trying to discredit just clarify.
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Diversified Food forest maker . Fill every niche and you'll have less weeds (the weeds are the crop too). Fruit, greens, wild harvest, and nuts as staple. Food processing and preservation are key to self self-sufficiency. Never eat a plant without posetive identification and/or consulting an expert.
Chris Stelzer
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Jeffrey Hodgins wrote:I feel the need to add that young trees must be protected from grazing in order to perpetuate savannah like the one in the photos. It Is well documented that cattle will choose acacia over grass eating the vast majority of new acacia trees. I wonder how long savannah could last if new trees were not planted due to poverty and lack of interest in preservation. I wonder how many acacia saplings are eaten in savannah world wide on a daily basis. I'm not trying to discredit just clarify.
Young trees don't really need to be protected from grazing, IMO. You just adjust the density of your cattle, and that will create the opportunity for trees to flourish. Moving the cows every hour (to a new grazing area), lets say for conversational purposes, at a desired density, can protect tress. Greg Judy and Ian Mitchell-Innes (South African Grazier) have used density to control the growth of trees. These guys really know what their doing!
I am putting together a book/dvd/magazine page for Paul, and to save him some time from making a (short paragraph) written review of everything, I figured I'd ask permie folks to write "what Paul would say" in each thread something is talked about.
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eveloped over the past 50 years by Operation Hope founder Allan Savory...
