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Paul continues the latest episode of the Permaculture Smackdown with Katie and Kyle to discuss how to deal with haters without running and hiding.

Paul tends to get asked how to deal with haters a fair bit, typically by people who have just been on the receiving end of it.  The way he deals with most of it is to view the messages as “obey me or else” put through the lens of how bad a person the speaker is – this way he disassociates from the hate and views it instead as a simple declaration of shittyness from the speaker.  This is a lot less effective when you’re invested in the person who sends hate, like Paul was with the Fouchs were given lodging and food for themselves and their sprogs in exchange a good video, before they turned around and bit him on the arse.  Paul originally got this philosophy from a lady that used to work for another PDC instructor (who shall remain un-named) who turned out to be a piece of work, and her response to the trolling was to simply thank him for helping her to find a new way to grow as a Buddhist, and leave the next day.

Regarding a general user of the internet, not the reader specifically, what did you do when you saw Paul receiving hate online?  Did you say anything?  Downvote?  Anything to discourage the troll?  Chances are the troll got bored with Paul and moved onto you.  Now, the small weed has grown into a big problem for you.  Even if you don’t want to get involved with haters, there’s almost always ways to downvote or report trolls to moderators.  All too often people outright encourage haters and trolls, so when you see them doing their thing, do something about it, even if it’s just a thumbs down.

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The bulk of trolling that I've witnessed on this forum (at least, the trolling which sees the light of day) comes in the form of "sealioning", especially when the topic involves a complaint about "censorship versus free speech".

Wikipedia -- Sealioning

Rhetorically, sealioning fuses persistent questioning—often about basic information, information easily found elsewhere, or unrelated or tangential points—with a loudly-insisted-upon commitment to reasonable debate. It disguises itself as a sincere attempt to learn and communicate. Sealioning thus works both to exhaust a target's patience, attention, and communicative effort, and to portray the target as unreasonable. While the questions of the "sea lion" may seem innocent, they're intended maliciously and have harmful consequences.


The term originated with a 2014 strip of the webcomic Wondermark by David Malki, where a character expresses a dislike of sea lions and a sea lion intrudes to repeatedly ask her to explain her statement and attempts (in an exaggeratedly civil manner) to interrogate her views, following the characters into the privacy of their own home. "Sea lion" was quickly verbed.

The referenced comic:
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