Rufus Laggren wrote:
I guess one short answer to your original post: There's a RealWorld out there and everything is anchored in it. We are. And IT doesn't move noticeably when you push on it. Not every when you push really really hard. To get anywhere we find where the river flows and go _there_. Not where we "arbitrarily" decide to go. The RealWorld monopolizes most of everybody's attention, 24/7. Even Permie Zealots. Ask Paul how much RealWorld controls his plans and efforts.
This leads to Elliot's problem with "packaging". Packaging is what makes it possible for people, without the time or resources to make themselves gurus in everything, to benefit from massive learning and design by others. It's what makes it possible for the "little woman" (or name your better example) to drive the horseless carriage. The steering wheel, accelerator, power brakes and power steering (not to mention weather proof interior) are a PACKAGE! It takes mind boggling science and engineering and covers it over with pretty fenders, nice interior and doors that open easily and an easy-to-understand way to start it (key) and use it. No degree in chemistry or applied industrial design required. The package truly does "dumb down" what really makes up a car. If it didn't, nobody could drive one.
I'm guessing C* might be looking for a package to make Permakulture usable by people with no real understanding of the details. Nor any wish for such. Do you _really_ want to learn how to reprogram the computer that runs your vehicle? Going with that for a moment, what _would_ people using the Permakulture Package be wanting? Mystical communion with... Something? Ticket to heaven? Bragging rights? Think a moment about the car package. People (most everybody, in fact) drives. Why? Is it because they just get warm and fuzzy when the engine purrs? Is it because they worship Western tech and want to be a little part of it? Well, even though I'm sure there are a few people that get the warm fuzzies and all that, the car has become ubiquitous by providing a huge dollop of power and control to people who drive.
C Gillis wrote:
Never said anything was “too hard”, fragmented yes.
I think you can address all of the concerns you mentioned if you want to make it that robust. Rodale Institute seems to cover a wide range of topics around organic - everything from large scale farming to backyard gardens. They offer a resource that is easy to understand but also covers a wide range of topics. I don’t see why a Permaculture resource couldn’t aspire to that
I send to a lot of people who want to dabble in front end programming- they will learn the basics but can move to more advanced techniques if they choose to. It’s all open source too. Check it out https://www.w3schools.com
It’s not the only option out there, but it’s a place for people to get their start if they are interested.
I could see this community coming together to create something like that. It might bring Permaculture to the masses. Right now as I mentioned it looks a bit fragmented.