Mick Fisch wrote:
This is a real problem with multi-culteralism. Each society has manners, norms, customs and laws that allow people to live together with a minimum of violence. Many of these are common, some might be universal. The ones that aren't can cause real conflicts. The idea,"Let's all just be cool" works until some one, or worse, some group isn't. Eventually the groups will come to a common agreement, but until then it can be messy.
Mick Fisch wrote:This discussion is not about religion or spirituality. It is about good manners. People who want to dictate what others say or do in their own businesses are displaying bad manners. They are acting as bullies.
I may not agree with all of Paul's rules on this website, but it isn't my website. I am free to leave or start my own website. I am not free to declare what rules Paul can or can't make.
Some folks get wound up because the owners of Chick-Filet close on Sundays, in keeping with their religious beliefs. Are they imposing their beliefs on others? Not that I can see. Their employees come in knowing the deal. Starbucks can do what the want. It's their business. If I disagree, I am free take my business elsewhere. If lots of people feel that way, Starbucks will probably change their behavior. (I don't think I've ever even been in a Starbucks, so they probably aren't too concerned about my opinion.) If some business donates money to some cause, I am free to express my displeasure/ pleasure with where I spend my money.
Since when is it wrong to act in accordance with your religious beliefs (with the proviso that you don't get to control or hurt others). The attempts at controlling, from what I can see, are entirely from a group that insists others not be allowed to speak freely. There does seem to be an effort by a determined minority to suppress any "Christian" expression. I don't see the same righteous indignation from the same groups over what amount to harmless expressions of good will by practitioners of other religions.
When did our society get so thin skinned that everyone has to tip toe around trying to avoid offending .0001% of the population. We need to stop being scared and get our big kid pants on and be real with each other. Just because you don't agree with someone, doesn't mean they have to change their behavior.
I refuse to allow the PC police to control my mouth. It is not my job to make sure you are not offended. The fact that I am alive and breathing is going to offend someone. My responsibility is to exercise what used to be called 'good manners'. I try to make sure that I make reasonable accomodations for others, but I am not required to let them run my life. They have a responsibility to exercise good manners also. There are way too many people running around, looking for a reason to be offended.
I generally wish people 'Merry Christmas' because that is what I am celebrating. I realize that not everyone in my area is celebrating Christmas. I would guess though that about 95% of them are celebrating Christmas in some form, some very devoutly, some in a perfunctory Santa Claus way. We certainly don't all celebrate it the same, nor do I demand we do. If you want to celebrate the pagan Yule, fine, wish me a merry Yule. I'll wish you one back and we might even have an interesting discussion about how you celebrate it and what you are celebrating. I will probably learn something. If someone wishes me "Happy Hanukkah" it doesn't bother me in any way, and I'm a little confused why it should. I can sincerely wish them "Happy Hannukah" and we can both go cheerfully on our way. If you get upset that someone wishes you "Good Day", it's not the other guys problem.
Dale Hodgins wrote:My understanding of the Greek X, is that early Christians had a need to hide their identity from Roman authorities, so they used the X. Kind of like the fish symbol which has become popular on bumper stickers and other places.
I'm pretty sure I heard that there were X and fish symbols found in the Sinai desert and at Masada as petroglyphs. People didn't always have spray paint. Sometimes graffiti was also in the form of a petroglyph.
So, there was no intention of eliminating Christ from Christmas. It was simply a way for people to self identify without running afoul of the authorities. I think that the beginning of using it as Xmas was in homage to those people, because it was a declaration of religious freedom.