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What do people think of Art Ludwig's "Water Storage" and "Create an Oasis..."

Suzy Bean

Joined: Apr 05, 2011
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Location: Stevensville, MT
What do people think of Art Ludwig's "Water Storage" and "Create an Oasis with Graywater" books? Here is the link to "Water Storage" : http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN/0964343363/rs12-20
and "Create an Oasis" : http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0964343398/rs12-20

John Polk

Joined: Feb 20, 2011
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To be more precise, the full title is:
The New Create an Oasis with Greywater:
Choosing, Building, and Using Greywater Systems, Includes Branched Drains

The "Greywater" aspect will draw an entirely different audience to the book.
Tyler Ludens

Joined: Jun 25, 2010
Posts: 5320
Location: Central Texas USA Latitude 30 Zone 8
I find "Create an Oasis with Greywater" to be a useful book, but the "oasis" aspect is a little misleading I think as are the lush pictures on the cover, unless you live in a household that uses a LOT of water taking showers, doing laundry, etc.     I have used the book to build a laundry greywater system which does not produce enough water to grow large banana plants.  I'm hopeful that adding our shower to it will provide enough water to make my banana plant really happy.     I don't think my small household can produce enough greywater to create anything other than a very very tiny "oasis" 

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Suzy Bean

Joined: Apr 05, 2011
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Paul and Kelly Ware do a podcast review Creating an Oasis with Grey Water. Here is chapter 1: http://www.richsoil.com/permaculture/432-podcast-076-creating-an-oasis-with-grey-water-1/
Suzy Bean

Joined: Apr 05, 2011
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Location: Stevensville, MT
Paul and Kelly review chapter 2 of Creating an Oasis with Grey Water, by Art Ludwig in this podcast: http://www.richsoil.com/permaculture/435-podcast-077-creating-an-oasis-with-grey-water-2/
Suzy Bean

Joined: Apr 05, 2011
Posts: 940
Location: Stevensville, MT
I am putting together a book/dvd/magazine page for Paul, and to save him some time from making a (short paragraph) written review of everything, I figured I'd ask permie folks to write "what Paul would say" in each thread something is talked about.

So what would Paul say about Water Storage/Create an Oasis?
richard valley

Joined: Aug 18, 2011
Posts: 195
Location: Sierra Nevada mountain valley CA, & Nevada high desert
I'm supprised at the volume of gray water 4 people will produce. We recently bought a small piece of land, 5 acres,. I have brought out, so far, the two bath tubs and the washing machine, I'll get to the three remaining sinks. The water has to be handled correctly, the water from baths will over run trenches. I plan to dig catchments with rocks and material to hold the water. Just below the surface is clay so the surface water will evaporate but not sink out of site. There are also pathways where snow melt runs during thaw. I've dug a catchment, not as deep as I plan, the tractor isn't down there yet. I plan to have some where for the water to pool until I see how much run off there is.

This land dry. about 3 miles from the lake, I'm guessing much of the water from the surrounding land goes to the lake, and the what that lawns that are there are watered from wells, we also are on well water. The wind is very drying, we planted several trees for wind break and plan to plant many more.

The land had been abandond for a couple years, several bushes and large trees survived on rain and snow water. Not to use gray water and to catch and pool pricip is a waste of wealth.

I'll be interested to hear how others are dealing with the gray and rain/snow water.

I haven't read the book mentioned but I am very into it's subject mater.
Rusty Bowman

Joined: May 30, 2009
Posts: 117
Location: Idaho
Both are great books..."The New Create an Oasis With Greywater" a must have...invaluable. Though not thick, all of Ludwig's books are without fluff and jam packed with sound, useful and practical info. For some reason though, he words certain things that I personally find to be a little difficult to understand, at times. It's probably just me. I also sense a slight condescending tone. But, I wouldn't let that get in the way of this guys experience. His info is top notch and he has been kind enough to freely share tons more info on his website.

Brad Lancaster has some excellent info on graywater reuse too in his Rainwater series, in a different flavor and tone. His books are just as valuable, if not more so due to their sheer volume/breadth of info.... in my humble opinion.

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Xep Arkonatitlan

Joined: Jul 01, 2012
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I've met Art, but didnt know how cool he was at the time. I hugely apreciated the water storage(tanks) book. I was a little disapointed with grey water. , Was it missing these things; The very important sedement trap, The very nice grease trap, Grey water goes only in declined ditches, The soil absobtion is never exeded and the water never puddles, like in Molison's primitive bannana cirle, Does he mention changing the filtration zone every three days to prvent blackwater? In that case you need three ditches, three in case one is closed for maintenance, Try that and dont forget the mulch filler(not leaves) All that said, our comercial kitchen produced over four hundred gallons of dark grey water a day for twelve years, a very lovely oasis that produced excess black soil.
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