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Kelda Miller


Joined: Jun 30, 2007
Posts: 763
Well, not sure if this falls under 'general homesteading', but I've noticed that folks have had some really great survival tips elsewhere in this forum. let's talk about it more here!

there was one place where someone said that children, who are more instinctive, are more likely to survive out in the woods than an adult who's overconfident and thus makes stupid mistakes

and then in another forum, someone just mentioned the warm jell-o stays warm longer in someone's belly than warm water. if any warm jello is handy....

i guess i have one to add. my brother-n-law and i were just talking about food shortages. he thinks if we have a shortage many people would just be unable to ration. being that we can live for three weeks without food, he's all about the one-can-o-food-per-day ration if not less. we can survive just fine with much less food in our bellies than the average american can conceive of...


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Leah Sattler


Joined: Jun 26, 2008
Posts: 2603
for me the most likely survival situation isn't a lost in the wood scenario so i think differently.

inability to ration foo is why when stockpiling reserves it is important to stock things you would normally eat in the amounts you would normally eat. and once again the guy who thinks "I am a trained survivalist, I don't need cans of soup, I need a bow and arrow"  is the guy least likely to make it imo he thinks because he can distill water and make fire with flint that he doesn't need all those sissy reserves.  I personally stockpile more and have more convenience foods than we typically eat.  in a desperate or extremely stressed situations comfort foods, easy foods, etc... will be much more appealing than something that you have to work hard at preparing after shivering in the cold or wandering scrounging for food all day. survival time is no time for worrying about whether brownies are good for you as long as you are eating a basically healthy diet. and its no time to try and stick to idealistic notions. for example I have a bag of "seven" I keep in the garage. if the shtf and some bug is decimating my garden I will use it even though I am adamantly against the use of pesticides in my garden plot.  additionally you will likely be burning more calories for a variety of reasons in a deperate situation. surviving a real shtf scenario is as much about knowing how to keep yourself hopeful and wanting to survive (as well as those around you) as it is about knowing how. 

long term shtf scenario should have you planning for long term survival. although you need to cultivate fruits and vegies for variety and nutrients focusing on calorie crops is important. and wildcrafting for greens is nice but dandelions aren't going to fuel your body adequatly for a 10 mile hike or lugging water buckets to the animals that are crucial to your survival. unless you have fields of crops than grain crops are not your answer. potatoes.

I am in a rather high state of anxiety now with the economy the way it is and my using up my stocks to move to a house that likely will not have any established garden. My freezer is less than 1/2 full now and my pantry is 1/3 plundered except for a few long term staples. eeeeekkkkk. 


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Susan Monroe


Joined: Sep 30, 2008
Posts: 1093
Location: Western WA
All very true, Leah.

Survival is probably one-third each of mindset, knowledge and preparation. 

And when people think of 'survival', they often think of wilderness survival, and think they don't have to even think about that because they never go into the wilderness.  They don't think of the wilderness areas they pass through, like driving from Yakima to Olympia.  The chances are excellent that, even if it's midwinter, they don't have extra clothing, a sleeping bag, firemaking supplies, a metal pot, bottled water or any granola bars in the car.

There's urban survival, like what do you do if you were shopping in Seattle and the Big One hits.  many of the overpasses are down, buildings have collapsed (including your apartment).  What do you do then?

And there's accident survival, like a plane crash.  A cold wind blowing, you're dressed for a business meeting, and have no gear except your purse and briefcase.  Now what?

There's evacuation survival, from a dam breaking, flooding, wildfire, toxic tank leak (truck or rail car), and you have to go somewhere else temporarily, a relative's home, a campground, a Red Cross shelter.

And there's survival at home, the best option, in my opinion.  I feel that I would be better off living in a small tent and having access to my stuff (books, tools, bedding, etc) than leaving it all behind (my last option).

Although situations may differ, some things remain the same, and that tends to be the priorities:
- First aid
- Shelter
- Fire
- Water
- Signal
- Food

If you have a small pack with a couple of mylar emergency blankets, a Bic-type lighter and some tinder, a metal cup and some beef jerky and granola bars, you would be ahead of practically everyone else in the country.

Even the stuff in your purse can be valuable.  Half a tampon (fluffed out) with lip balm or gel sanitizer can get a fire started if you've got a lighter or other firestarter with you.  A compact mirror or rear-view mirror can signal a plane, as can the lit-up face of a cell phone.

Signals in threes is an international distress signal -- three blasts on a whistle, three gunshots, three fires in a large triangle.

But the most important survival tool is between your ears.

Sue
Leah Sattler


Joined: Jun 26, 2008
Posts: 2603
Susan Monroe wrote:


But the most important survival tool is between your ears.

Sue


the truest statement yet.

I read "the road" by cormac mcarthey (sp?) a few days ago. shudder. you want to talk about survival......its fiction but still......I had been wanting it and I finally found it in a paperback (cheap )
Susan Monroe


Joined: Sep 30, 2008
Posts: 1093
Location: Western WA
Many of the survivalist folks are big on Bug-Out Bags, kits of useful stuff if they had to leave home and escape to the wilderness or something.  Not likely, for most people.

More likely would be the need for a Bug-Home Bag, with things to help you get home from a bad situation.

How many times do you read about 'experienced hikers' who left all their gear in camp and went on a day hike that turned into a 6-day survival test?  It's the old It-Can;t-Happen-To-Me Syndrome.  Well, it CAN happen to you... anytime.  Usually at the most inconvenient time.

Plan ahead and you'll be ahead.

Sue
Leah Sattler


Joined: Jun 26, 2008
Posts: 2603
I have put together a simple BOB before but let it fall apart, I don't want to be one of the "it can't happen to me" folks but I do think that a bug out scenario is one of the least likely ones. Its different depending on geographic area too.  I have trouble envisioning a true bug out scenario other than one at gunpoint, and at that point I would be standing my ground with them at gun point  , not asking "may I please grab my BOB after you rape me and before you take me to a camp mr. militia man?". even things such as forest fire or flood evacuations are not imo a true survival issue regarding a BOB, unless it his on a huge scale, really really annoying but not "survival".  Far more likely is something that cuts you off from medical help and food and water long or short term enough to be a serious problem. I do think it is especially prudent for those with medical conditions requiring medication to have such a bag obviously. I suppose in a long term cut off from help situation where your house burned down in a rural area then a BOB might be essential. maybe I should put it back together.....
Susan Monroe


Joined: Sep 30, 2008
Posts: 1093
Location: Western WA
For me, the BugOut Bag would be for things like a toxic spill.  I live a half-mile from a RR crossing and less than that to the highway.  Any bugging out would probably be short-term, like go away until the leaking chlorine tank disperses when the sun comes up, or a major fire coming in my direction.

But going out in conditions like we've got in the PNW right now, well, it would make sense to carry some things, just in case.  My sister took a sleeping bag, foam pad and small pillow, as well as a change of clothes to work yesterday.  She said if you can't get out, you have to stay at the hospital and sleep on the cold floor.  The member of the Providence hospital chain where she works isn't exactly what you would call well-run.  Their annual disaster drills are like old Three Stooges movies.

People really need to plan for things that would be likely to affect THEM, not anyone else.  If Mt. Rainier blew, would most people have the stuff to deal with a massive ash fall?

Any emergency plans should be tailor-made for each family.

Sue
Leah Sattler


Joined: Jun 26, 2008
Posts: 2603
yesterday evening i watched a show on public television about a guy who spends a portion of each winter camping in yellowstone (photographer). of course the winters can be pretty brutal.he camped with only his coat, and winter wear, and a down sleeping bag. he had a tarp that he strung up essentially making a back and a roof. they didn't cover much about what he carried for food. but seeing that makes me think even more that it is a mind set more than anything. most people, having only those things and in the wilderness would die of panic! of course the guy obviously knew his way around and that alleviates a large portion of the panic factor I suppose. what an awsome experience that would be!
Matt Ferrall


Joined: Dec 26, 2008
Posts: 555
Location: Western WA,usda zone 6/7,80inches of rain,250feet elevation
    
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I was just reading about the power outages in MO and how the amish saved the day for alot of people.One community talked about how every morning the amish would bring them coffee.Well It seems like they are probably able to weather a storm like this or even an entire winter but beyond that,I see some problems to their survival statagies.Like many permaculture sites,survival seems to meen "survival for a while until the empire gets rolling again and we can go back to the store".True survival seems like it would aim for something a bit more self sufficiant.
    Permaculture seems to include lots of these off farm inputs.Plastic for greenhouses and hoses for instance.Given this,I can only imagine what a permaculture future would look like.News articles about birds dieing from injesting greenhouse plastic,the Uv protectant turns out to cause breast cancer ect...Your new toxic prmaculture paridise!!If this is the future we are promoting then by all means people-stay inside and get your food from the store for the planets sake!(I guess this is based on my premise that decetralized industrial society is acually more toxic than centralized)
  well actually Ill elaborate on that.I believe that one giant tractor is more efficient than 10 little tractors and more efficient than 100 rototillers.Even with the added costs of distributing the produce.How much fluid is leaked/spilled filling 100 rototillers.How many trips to get gas or parts.How much time for 100 peoples learning curves and maintnence instruction.How much sprawling infrastructure to support our ability to be self sufficient!
    Many permie sites ive been too depend on chippers,rototillers,green houses,electicity(pumps ect..),mills,industrialy produced and imported grains,hay,and straw,resourse intensive metal for barns and fencing,and plastic for all sorts of stuff.If they are off the centralised grid then they are usually on the (just as toxic)alternative grid(I have lived on strictly solar for 9yrs and after years of research got dissilussioned with that too-LEAD batteries ect....)
  Now if(and I know this could not happen right?)a permiculture homestead dependent on these things were to not be able to get them or had them stolen,how would its production compare to conventional agriculture(if they both were in the same boat)and how would it compare to a more wild(less dependent)managed system?How would it compare over a week,a year,indefinitely?This is why I think rewilding has alot to offer permacuture.It focuses our direction away from dependance on our ecologicaly devestating industrial society.(I originally thought thats what permaculture was supposed to be about but after 15yrs in the movement,Im pretty sure permaculture is just gardening and animal husbandry-same ole stuff just a new package)
    Sure take what you can salvage from the system.Salvage is going to be huge in the future!But I prefer to use it in the direction of lessening my dependence.Like using this library computer to get ideas that manifest inthe physical.
  OK so my responses on this site might seem like personal attacks sometimes but really I just gotta say this stuff because I feel the need to defend permacultures name.More and more people are going to be interested in how to survive on this earth as the economy starts to slip.I think its our resposibilty as supposidly the "cutting edge" of sustainability to pioneer examples that are truly sustainable.I dont want to imply to some poor person that if they want to be  sustainable,the first thing they should do is go buy a greenhouse from some giant corporation.oh yea,and they will also need at least 50k for all the crap for sale in MOther Earth News and 100k for all the infrastrucure to house and maintain it all.Then they too can become self sufficiant.1st world self sufficient!
  Hey people,you can grow food just fine without all that crap,just not basil and tomatoes!
    Why build a beautiful landscape dependent on the house of cards infrastrucure.You can tell me what grows good where you are at but if it includes all this stuff then the information is practicaly useless to me.Of course you can grow citrus in the Pacific NW with a heated greenhouse!In a survival situation,am I going to have time to hand water plants?or repair the hydro system?It ultimately breaks anyway so then what?


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Leah Sattler


Joined: Jun 26, 2008
Posts: 2603
Mt.goat wrote:
survival seems to meen "survival for a while until the empire gets rolling again and we can go back to the store".True survival seems like it would aim for something a bit more self sufficiant.

I always chuckle when I see "survival guides" that say to have 3 days supply of food and water. it is obvious that is just a tactic to use while awaiting rescue.


    !(I guess this is based on my premise that decetralized industrial society is acually more toxic than centralized)

I agree, with that premise, and since I think it is highly unlikely that even 20% of the modern world will ever be willing to go backwards as far as modern conveniences go  I think a utopian view is fun to think about but seriously unproductive.

  How much time for 100 peoples learning curves and maintnence instruction.


well if learning curves are not allowed I don't think any of us should be here

    Many permie sites ive been too depend on chippers,rototillers,green houses,electicity(pumps ect..),mills,industrialy produced and imported grains,hay,and straw,resourse intensive metal for barns and fencing,and plastic for all sorts of stuff.If they are off the centralised grid then they are usually on the (just as toxic)alternative grid(I have lived on strictly solar for 9yrs and after years of research got dissilussioned with that too-LEAD batteries ect....)


This is why I think rewilding has alot to offer permacuture.It focuses our direction away from dependance on our ecologicaly devestating industrial society.(I originally thought thats what permaculture was supposed to be about but after 15yrs in the movement,Im pretty sure permaculture is just gardening and animal husbandry-same ole stuff just a new package)

permanent agriculture. that is what it is to me. sustainable agriculture. meaning it doesn't really matter what you use in the present as long as it is not preventing future agriculture. I think all the details of what does and does not prevent future agriculture is debatable and will continue to evolve. some things are trendy but unrealistic somethings are truly toxic and something are only regarded as so or are only toxic in large quantities like appleseeds.


    Sure take what you can salvage from the system.Salvage is going to be huge in the future!But I prefer to use it in the direction of lessening my dependence.Like using this library computer to get ideas that manifest in the physical.

using the library computer is less dependent? to me you are depending on the good ole gooberment to provide you with access to the web. I can gaurantee the enviromental impact of the computer at the library is more than a home one. manufacturing is the same it jsut has to go through more sticky hands and red tape before it gets there

   OK so my responses on this site might seem like personal attacks sometimes but really I just gotta say this stuff because I feel the need to defend permacultures name.

if you don't take things as personal attacks then assume others won't. permaculture doesn't need to be defended it needs healthy debate (that I happen to enjoy). if it becomes a permanent set of ideas then it will no longer be viable and will seek to become a dictatorship with a few self rightious people telling everyone else what to do/not to do. that is a recipe for alienating people to the whole concept and prevent the use of the permaculture name and ideas to truly make a difference in this world.

    Why build a beautiful landscape dependent on the house of cards infrastrucure.

the point is to build a better infrastructure that is not a house of cards.  permanent sustainable agricultural infrastructure. even if you use the other take on the definition...permanent culture....then that is not what you are talking  about and certainly not what you are defending. you seem to be more concerned with promotion of an individualist mindset to become sustainable, not " culturist" ideas. and that is ok too. but never utilizing outside resources and "rewilding" is not a culture of like minded people it is a person living alone in the woods.

paul wheaton
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Survival ....  wow, this can mean so many different things ...

I guess all of this stuff that we are trying to figure out really comes back to a form of survival prep.  I tend to think of it as more of "safety" which then breeds "freedom."

Once in a while we talk about TSHTF and the mad max world.  But I think more about a space where things bounce between kinda good and kinda bad.  Maybe another depression is gonna happen.  So I guess I see the mad max scene as a remote possibility. 

In the meantime, I think about things like a full farm eco system.  Something with minimal input and maximum harvest.  Something with community.  Since 90% of the food would come from this imaginary farm, then the farm would be safe from economic downturns - at least all of those shy of the mad max scenario. 

I like the idea of a path that has certain comforts. 

So then it becomes a bit of a juggle between all of the different aspects. 

And then work in the aspect that all of this gets a lot easier when you are surrounded with like minded folk.  So then you explore ways to help that happen ...

For now ... get the idea of where you want to go ... then look at the materials you have on hand to help find the smoothest/quickest path to where you want to be ...



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Susan Monroe


Joined: Sep 30, 2008
Posts: 1093
Location: Western WA
That's good, Paul.

We can only control a very small part of our general area, and 'control' is really just a general term.

We do the best we can with what we've got, mentally, physically and emotionally.  Sometimes we've got more of one than the others.

We can teach others if they want to learn, but we can't force it on them, no matter how strongly we feel.  If a neighbor wants to know how to grow tomatoes and you think she should grow all kinds of things, start with tomatoes.  What the other person wants IS important.  What is important to you isn't necessarily what is important to the next person.

You do what YOU can.  Start with that.  Someone near you may be watching and think, "Hey, that looks like a good idea!  Could you help me learn to do that?"

There is always resistance to force of any kind.

Sue
Brenda Groth
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Joined: Feb 01, 2009
Posts: 4433
Location: North Central Michigan
    
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being involved in this train of thought for about 40 years i have had a lot of ideas on survival..and some have gone by the wayside..however, i find that other than the deep woods of winter, i can eat just about eveything in our woods and yard if i have to, not that it tastes good, but it is edible..and we have enough wood around to keep us from freezing even if our wood boiler cirulation won't work as we have a fireplace we can use if we have to..

i guess that was why i was so excited about the aegopodium, no maybe it doesn't taste good, but it grows like crazy, we have cattails in our pond, daylillies by the hundreds, food every where we turn that we grow for beauty or other reasons besides our food crops, that we can eat if we have to, and yes if i had to i might eat DOE too..but i wouldn't want to..and the hundreds of bunnies, possum, coon,etc that roam our yard.

the hard time is winter..so around here if we keep seeds for summer and enough food to last the winter and earliest spring, we are pretty much all set if something should happen, i also have a greenhouse and a glassed in s facing porch where i can grow crops inside if i have to..and i am lucky to live in the middle of nowhere off the beaten path and have protection..we always keep enough canned products and boxed products that we could prepare in our fireplace if we had to to survive many many months..for a lot of city people water will be a problem, and here it might as we used to own property with a flowing well which we don't now as we sold it in oct..so one of our future plans is to put down another flowing well on the property we still own..then there isn't much of anything we will need that we don't have..

i think thinking through every day what you would need is a fantastic idea for everyone..and if you live in a NY apartment, i feel so bad for you.


Brenda

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Matt Ferrall


Joined: Dec 26, 2008
Posts: 555
Location: Western WA,usda zone 6/7,80inches of rain,250feet elevation
    
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Yea water is going to be huge.Most cities here on the west coast have open water sources so if there is a nuclear war in the world they are all going to be drinking the fallout.This christmas,I gave my neighbors well buckets that I got at Lehmans non-electric for about 50$ each.They are 3" wide so they can fit down a standard well casing with a rope or chain.They plug up their bottom when you lift and carry 2 or 3 gallons.You have to pull out the pump first but if the power was out for a long time,they would really come in handy.
  I agree that its good to plan for all possibilities.I have 6mo of food on hand at all times but also am learning primitive skills in case I have to flee to the hills.As well,I am learning firearm skills and hopefully archery at some point.
Matt Ferrall


Joined: Dec 26, 2008
Posts: 555
Location: Western WA,usda zone 6/7,80inches of rain,250feet elevation
    
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yea as soon as civilisation stops forcing me to experience it then I'll stop resisting.
Susan Monroe


Joined: Sep 30, 2008
Posts: 1093
Location: Western WA
I don't think we're looking at a nuclear war as much as we're probably staring a major depression right in the face.

One of the long-time regular guys on another forum (not permie)  is bright, knowledgeable, a scientist and not a cry-wolf sort of person.  Today, he said ""Hit the red button, folks. My long-term financial adviser over at Morgan Stanley just told me to double my stocks of rice, beans, and ammo and to push my retirement back ten years.  Something dark and terrible is coming."

Water is a really big issue, even here in WA.  Yes, it does rain nine months of the year, but usually during the other three months we get NOTHING.  I'm looking into building a homemade tank of about 5,000 gallons, made from fence wire, chicken wire and concrete.  All I need is the money.  But there is no natural water within a mile, and the river that is about a mile away is heavily contaminated -- people are advised not to eat the fish in it.  City water here, no well.

If anyone has any brilliant (and cheap, very cheap) ideas, please post.

Sue
Ken Peavey
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In a survival situation the first thing most people do is ration their food.  Survival is hard work, it takes a lot of calories.  Having a long term food storage plan is leaving the fringe and entering the mainstream.  With the recession, making ends meet is all the more important.  Buying in bulk makes good sense even in good times.  Having a pantry stocked with a wide array of products is convenient and practical.  In the event a crisis prevents, that stored food can make the difference between getting by and going hungry. 


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Susan Monroe wrote:
I don't think we're looking at a nuclear war as much as we're probably staring a major depression right in the face...


I think so too. Hyper-inflation, with dramatically rising energy and food prices.

We've stored some staples like beans, wheat, salt and honey. We've learned how to do it economically, using PETE bottles and oxygen absorbers.

But we think that what's more important than storing food is being able to garden and forage. We enjoy those hobbies anyway, now we're just getting more serious about them, especially the latter. We're surrounded by food that most people just don't recognize as such.

Other things we've done or are working on:

Investing in the equipment to be more efficient foragers - crawfish traps, blueberry rakes, hand-crank nutcracker, etc.

Adding organic matter to improve our soil. That's like money in the bank.

Planting more fruit trees and bushes.

Building a predator-proof chicken coop.

Keeping bees.

The staples we have stored would be a bland survival diet by themselves. But we have the tools and knowledge to add everything from chanterelles to venison. And it's not just a hypothetical plan, we do it now and have fun. The best way to learn to eat wild is to eat wild.

Seth Pogue


Joined: Feb 12, 2010
Posts: 81
Build a monolithic dome ecoshell into a hillside, serves triple purposes of root cellar, radiation shelter, bulletproof protection from apocalypse zombies.  If you're in the Missoula area contact me and I'll build you one turnkey, 30' dia., 700 s.f,  $9k.
Fred Morgan
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Location: Northern Zone, Costa Rica - 200 to 300 meters Tropical Humid Rainforest
    
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I think perhaps one of the things that helps you figure out whether you could make it or not under a certain situation is to try it. One of the most memorable times of my life was when I was 18 and I decided to camp out, by my self, in the forever wild part of the Adirondacks (Around Stillwater lake, if anyone is curious) I was armed to the teeth and I am pretty good with a rifle.

One thing I learned really fast (besides have a 4-wheel drive vehicle when you go off road.  ) was that where I am complete comfortable camping with people, is pretty scary, alone.

And the fish aren't biting when you are hungry... I swear they can smell your hunger. 

I often hear about people talking about how they will raise all their food, and fish and hunt. You would be surprised how many of them have never had a garden, and rarely fish or hunt. The skills you need you don't want to be learning while you are starving - or freezing.


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Seth Pogue


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Posts: 81
Could be a good idea to be scared when camping alone in NY in a placwe where someone can drive to.

That's why I vastly prefer to go on foot, deep into the wilderness, where you don't have to worry about seeing another person, and the fish are always hungry.
                                  


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Kelda O. wrote:
many people would just be unable to ration. being that we can live for three weeks without food,


There are many tips useful for permaculture in  the survival literature.  But I question just how realistic the proverbial "Rule of Threes" is.  Yes, you can live for three weeks without food, but by not eating you are lowering your resistance to disease and hypothermia and becoming depleted of energy, all of which makes finding food even more problematic.  I wouldn't change the ranking of priorities, but I wouldn't delay finding food either.

Fred Morgan
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Seth Pogue wrote:
Could be a good idea to be scared when camping alone in NY in a placwe where someone can drive to.

That's why I vastly prefer to go on foot, deep into the wilderness, where you don't have to worry about seeing another person, and the fish are always hungry.


Let's say you couldn't really drive there, which is why I had to hike out six miles to the ranger to get help getting unstuck...  ops:

And the spooky part wasn't the people - lots of wildlife, some of it large.
                          


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Got hired a couple years ago to fly a tiny bushplane from Seattle to New Hampshire. Took ten days to do it. Stayed as remote as possible except when I needed gas. This is what I had on me for survival gear. Notice especially the variety of firestarters and tinders that can all be used with one hand. The tarp everything is displayed on was folded up and I sat on it. My sleeping bag and food were behind the seat.

Lisa Paulson


Joined: Apr 17, 2010
Posts: 254
I think a lot of practical and resourceful ideas  meet and cross over from being a prepper type  to surmount situations to being a permaculture enthusiast .  Being prepared for what ever comes your way be it peak oil and the economy or a natural disaster, to simply anticipating what could come up with the food supply being largely in the hands of big business, I think there are those basic principals needed to survive , above, to have thought out and even put into your lifestyle practice  .   That is why I have sought out  forums to learn from.  The environment is very important to me, both nature and a healthy environment for my family.  And I do not see a lot of very practical or resourceful people in my vicinity , even though most have their own acreages and in my acqaintances ,  few have a food garden let alone a chicken , so online is my education which I then apply.

I am slowly working on the permaculture aspects but in other ways I am a prepper, we live in an area of high probabilty of earthquake on the west coast so I am learning to make changes to accomodate challenging situations.  I just see it all as living conciously with thought and appreciation with survival in mind as an outcome!                                               Okay, practical and cheap ideas,  buy heavy black contractors garbage bags and have some handy .   I have one in each BOB, truck, workshop, bike pannier,  a case in my house with good quality duct tape.  Many  practical uses from improvised raingear when you least expected to need any, to transporting a find like seaweed  for my compost, i suppose you could drape one over a bush and collect condensation for drinking water in an extreme situation, or use it for sanitation as sickbag in rush hour traffic.  I think there could be a whole thread on how you could use them.

My latest thing has been experimenting with cheap solar garden lights  I bring in  for
night lights in the bathroom, night lights in each bedroom easy to turn off once snuggled into bed  but if there in an emergency we have a back up light source, like when grid power goes down in a storm at night (yeah we have candles and flashlights too) I want to hang some pretty sconces so I can grab a solar light and hang it by the door so i can see where to put the key in the door knob at night.
Practical  and good for the environment and you can use them to recharge small rechargeable batteries for other things.

Kirk Hutchison


Joined: Feb 05, 2010
Posts: 418
Location: Los Angeles, CA
  Most people think of being stuck in the woods in a survival situation. I think of being stuck in the city and trying to get to the woods!


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Fred Morgan
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Joined: Sep 29, 2009
Posts: 972
Location: Northern Zone, Costa Rica - 200 to 300 meters Tropical Humid Rainforest
    
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Kirk Hutchison wrote:
  Most people think of being stuck in the woods in a survival situation. I think of being stuck in the city and trying to get to the woods!


There is some truth to that. The TV show, survivor man (or whatever it is) were the man is dropped into a situation and has to survive was hilarious to those of us who know the jungles of Costa Rica. Drop me in a jungle here and I will come out fatter. It is amazing how much food is in a jungle if you can recognize it.
                          


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Fred Morgan wrote:
There is some truth to that. The TV show, survivor man (or whatever it is) were the man is dropped into a situation and has to survive was hilarious to those of us who know the jungles of Costa Rica. Drop me in a jungle here and I will come out fatter. It is amazing how much food is in a jungle if you can recognize it.


I went through jungle survival school in the Marines. We all lost weight and were very hungry the whole time.
Kathleen Sanderson


Joined: Feb 28, 2009
Posts: 977
Location: Near Klamath Falls, Oregon
    
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I've been trying to be prepared for financial collapse, which is probably coming sooner rather than later.  It's difficult to do everything that needs to be done when you are just one person with a very limited income, but I have accomplished some things. 

Solar powered battery charger -- will charge four AA, AAA, C, or D cell batteries.  I need to get more rechargeable batteries, but have enough to last for a while.  They'll run several small LED lights, including the two headlamps that I use for working outdoors after dark.  Would also run my small short-wave radio. 

Bicycle for transportation, and a cargo trailer for it.  Spare tires and a spare chain and a tool kit.

Some stored food, but we don't have much space for that and need to depend on the garden, the chickens, meat rabbits