Hugo Morvan wrote:Nice! I'd put them in soil in pots. Medium size pots, get the root as deep as possible. The leave just above the ground. Water well and keep in a shaded place the first weeks, no frost. Until they start to really perk up, start moving them into partial shade and when they seem adapted to that and you have some real growth go for it. Water from the bottom or sparsely.
But more important then the times i mention between the moving is follow your own feeling. Look at the plants, which ones are ready, which ones have to stay more protected.. Same with watering.
I prefer that the plant knows it's a tough world out there and prefer to kind of give the idea to create more roots. It's a balancing act between, they need foliage to get energy from the sun to grow roots, but if they're in water all the time they "think" they can get away with putting all energy in making foliage. Then when they move into full sun/lamps they might die. That's why some people use misters, which keep the foliage moist too, so no water evaporates, but some time they will have to start making roots.
I like it when the whole of the pot fills up with roots between transplanting. Others put them into place immediately, but i figure that can only be done if you have loads and or keep a super watchfull eye.
Amy Arnett wrote:
Jason Walter wrote:
In my opinion pills are nothing more than something to cover up problems, no different than drugs/alcohol. A person has to learn life skills/ make mini goals, achieve these mini goals and continue to grow.
That's one way to look at it. Just like insulin covers up a diabetes problem, an inhaler covers up an asthma problem, tylenol covers up a pain problem, or benadryl covers up an allergy problem. Whether or not to use medication is absolutely the individual's choice; they don't work for everyone.
In case someone reading might be interested, there are also quite a few herbs and supplements that some have found helpful with anxiety. Some are discussed in this thread that I started before going to the psychiatrist the second time and getting diagnosed:https://permies.com/t/133660/kitchen/Herbs-acting-social-inhibition
Anxiety and depression are symptoms that can come from a variety of causes that can be physical, genetic, environmental, experiences, trauma and many others. The root cause will determine which treatments will likely work best for each person.
I like the suggestion of mini-goals. I do that too. It's easy to set impossibly high standards for ourselves. Small, achievable goals are a great way to increase our successes and feel better about ourselves. Life skills are important as well. Taking care of ourselves, and other people or animals or plants, can be empowering. When I'm feeling like I haven't done enough, I often reflect on the trees I've planted, the gardens I've grown, the perennials I've shared, and the animals I've raised or rescued over the years.
Amy Arnett wrote:Great question!
I've tried lots of things over the years and found some coping skills that help me. A couple times, the demands of life outweighed my ability to cope on my own and I went to a psychiatrist. The first doctor gave me an ssri antidepressant, which reduced my symptoms, but wasn't a good fit for me long term. The second psychiatrist diagnosed me with ADHD and autism. Medication for the ADHD reduced my anxiety and depression symptoms drastically, but I still use the coping skills most days.
The closest thing to mind control that I have found is mindfulness and cognitive behavioral therapy. The part of mindfulness that really helped me was the idea that thoughts just occur for no reason and aren't significant by themselves. My emotional reactions to my troubling thoughts were the root of my persistent negative mood. Mindfulness is basically practicing accepting whatever thoughts occur and letting them just float by without reacting. (Easier said than done). It is also practicing moving and focusing your attention. Controlling what I am paying attention to is very helpful for me when I get panicky or am focusing on being anxious. I can choose to focus on my breath or something sparkly or the sound of the wind, and after a minute or so the anxiety has simmered down and I feel like my brain resets and I can start over dealing with whatever I was doing from a calm place.
The specific book I used was "The mindful way through depression". Some of the audiobook and guided meditations or on youtube I think.
Cognitive behavioural therapy uses some mindfulness, but is mostly about training your response to your thoughts. Everyone's goals will be different, but some general goals are reducing negative self-talk, giving yourself positive feedback, and stopping rumination or negative thought spirals. At least that was my take away. I never participated, just read a book. There are many self work books now I think.
CBT focuses on identifying your triggering thoughts and reframing them or deciding on a positive response. Eventually, when the problem thought occurs, you would use your decided upon response and move on skipping all the negative emotional reactions and storytelling.
So "I wish I were dead. Oh no! we can't think that. That's a bad thing to think. what's wrong with us, why do we think things like that. I am a bad person. why can't i just be grateful and enjoy my life. imagine the funeral and my grieving family. i'm the worst for even thinking about something that would devastate my loved ones...etc."
becomes "I wish I were dead....yep, and right now I am hanging up laundry. Good job doing the laundry that you wanted to do. The laundry is wet now, but it will be dry later because I'm hanging it up right now. Nice!"
Or when I start to catastrophize about the worst possible outcome to a situation, I interrupt the catastrophe spiral with "yes, that is one possible outcome of many. Another possible outcome is..." and think up something positive and more likely to happen.
It takes some work and practice and being nice to yourself when you don't do it right every time. And it's ok to let a medication do the heavy lifting if visiting a psychiatrist is an option.
Try to be nice to yourself, you deserve it! and thanks for sharing your experience.
Thanks, yes that is it. I have seen the flowers I believe already, just did not pay attention of this same location. No apparent uses evidently but I found one paragraph that indicated long tap root which Im assuming means its a minor plant bringing up nutrients that can be used by other plants nearby.
Mathew Trotter wrote:Compare to "twiggy mullein", Verbascum virgatum. Should be obvious after it flowers.