Roy Edward Long

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Some of the issue could be gut flora, we all have different mixes and those who take antibiotics have greatly reduced and modified gut flora.

I have always eaten loads of unwashed raw vegetables straight from the garden and unwashed wild plants from my yard and as I travel around the farm and forests. I have also drank unpasteurized milk and untreated water all my life.  As a result I have a rather diverse gut flora, I can drink the water in Mexico, north Africa and the middle east with no issues.  I eat most of my mushrooms raw without cooking them at all and I have absolutely no issues with them not digesting.

While "we" do not produce the enzymes needed to digest the chitin in mushrooms some bacteria and fungi do produce these enzymes.
9 months ago
One of the simplest ways of growing oyster mushrooms is with paper.  My first attempt was with paper and cardboard in pill bottles with some blue oyster mushrooms that I bought at the grocery store.

I just boiled the paper, squeezed out the excess water and packed it into layers in the pill bottles with a thin slice of oyster mushroom between each layer of paper.  The more mushroom to substrate the quicker the mycelium can take over the substrate and the less likely you are to have issues with contamination.  I then drilled some small holes in the sides of the pill bottles and placed some medipore cloth tape over the holes.  Then I put them inside a coffee can with the lid on it and put on a shelf not far from the fireplace where it stay around 65 to 75F and just kept checking them regularly until the paper was all grown in white with mycelium.

I took them out of the can and put them under a suspended upside down bag near a window in my bedroom where it stays about 55F and just misted some water in there several times a day to keep the humidity up and voila..  My first mushroom growing success...  Was nice after so many failures and after buying materials so many times.  This was cheap and effective..

I then took my grown oyster mushrooms and tried doing a bag of substrate with them and all looked good for a bit then it was taken over by mold and it all just rotted...  

From everything I have studied it seems the easiest and most successful oysters grown by newbies seem to be on straw, paper and sawdust or wood pellets.  Paper, and wood pellets being the most free of contagions and not requiring pressure cooking the substrate.  The straw and sawdust may need to be either pressure cooked or cold pasteurized with lime and water before you use it as it may have mold spore in it.
9 months ago

Tim Kivi wrote:I potted the stem of a supermarket-purchased choy sum a few weeks ago. It had a few leaves about the size of a thumb. Now it looks like this:

The onions, pencil onions and leeks I regrew and put out in my garden all went to seed for me.  I also had many carrot plants go to seed as well from carrot tops rooted in the house and then transplanted to the garden...
Everything that I have read warns about using pine for growing mushrooms.  Pine is especially fungi resistant due to chemicals in them.  This covers most everything in the pinacaea family they say which includes spruce, fir, larch and hemlock.

I do find that the Idaho grand fir (white fir) does grow some mushrooms though.  Bear tooth (close relative to lions mane) grows on white fir here in the Pacific Northwest as well a number of polypores and here on my farm a veiled polypore grows almost exclusively on the white fir.  I am told that oysters will grow reasonably well on the white fir as well.

I have been warned away from even mixing small amounts of pine shavings into my sawdust mixes for mushrooms. While I haven't tried to grow any mushrooms on pine myself I can say that I have yet to ever see any mushroom ever growing on a pine tree.

I can say for certain that yellow/golden oyster mushrooms will grow on white fir though as I had a great batch grow in a planter box I made from some white fir I milled up for an avocado plant in the living room years ago. In fact it was that experience that got me interested in growing mushrooms.  

If you have any success growing on pine let us know, my forests are primarily pine, spruce, red fir and tamarack which are "supposedly" all bad for growing mushrooms on.  
9 months ago
I have been noticing mushrooms growing quite frequently on the white fir trees here and was thinking of trying white fir for oysters, white fir is in the Pinaceae family the same as red fir, spruce, larch, hemlock etc are, and all trees in the pine family tend to be rather antifungal in nature.

There is a vast supply of white fir around here for me to use so I am also hoping that white fir will be useable for growing oysters and or lions mane as well.  I may also try "Bears Tooth" mushroom, it grows naturally on fir trees here in the PNW and is closely related to lions mane.  It is apparently just as tasty as Lions Mane and has the same medicinal benefits.
9 months ago
I have been trying to find some natural media to grow oyster mushrooms on here at my farm..  Nearly all of my trees are various species in the pine family and not great for mushrooms though the white fir trees seem to do alright around here with mushroom growth.

I got to thinking of willow trees as I have several dead 40 foot tall willow trees and a number of live trees that need to be trimmed back along the county road.

I did a search for "oyster mushrooms on willow tree wood" and found this post.

I was thinking of doing totems with willow rounds or rough cut willow boards and put a mix of paper, sawdust, wood pellets and sawdust spawn between the rounds or boards.  I have access to a fair bit of willow wood in the area, if I could use it to grow oyster mushrooms that wood (pun intended) be quite handy...
9 months ago
So did you ever build anything yet Gabriel Babin?

I am getting geared up to build a secondary house on the upper half of our farm, it won't be round timber framed or anything but I will have some pretty good sized milled beams in it.

Would love to see any pictures of what you may have done at this point...
As well as knowing your span you will also need to determine your slope, the greater the slope the faster is sheds snow weight and the less snow load buildup.  Also the greater the angle of the timber to the snow load the stronger the wood is, ie imagine a boards longitudinal strength (standing upright) as compared to it's span strength.

100 pounds per square foot is quite a snow load, we are rated the same here.  My house has vaulted ceiling through out much of the house and much of the wood supporting my ceiling is still visible.  This house is quite old and was originally just half the size it currently is and so it has a number of structural styles within it.  The original house side has old hand sawed tamarack beams and rough milled roof supports.  The new side has dimensional roof supports some of which are still open to view.

We have quite a slope on our roof, drops 7 feet in height for each 10 feet in span.  I would suggest a similar slope for your roof and metal roof as it tends to shed snow well.  Even with that steep slope we get clumps of snow falling off our roof that weigh in at as much as a ton or two in a loud sliding whumppp....  The snow hits the ground so hard that it actually shakes the house with the impact sometimes.  Another thing to keep in mind on roof slope in a place with that much snow is how far to overhang your eves.  The further you overhang the eves the less snow you get piled directly against your walls in the winter.  We have a 24 inch overhangs and we get snow built up to five feet deep against the house walls in winter here.

As for spanning wood, I cannot give a simple easy formulae, but I can tell you the sizes of wood we have and the spans they are supporting, might at least put you in a ball park range maybe.

Upstairs the vaulted ceilings are 4 x 6 beams spaced at 60 inch intervals.  The beams are fitted bolted together at the peaks, on the bottom ends they have 16 foot long 3 x 10's bolted to either side of each 4 x 8.  This gives a span of 8 feet from the center to the outside and a fall of 6 feet over that 8 foot span.

Downstairs in the front of the house where it has been added onto we have vaulted ceilings that go up to 18 feet in height and that is supported by two different systems dependent upon where you are.

One system that incorporates into the original structure uses two 2 x 10 boards to span ten feet with a drop of 7 feet over ten feet.  These two 2 x 10's are bolted on either side of a 3 x 10 on the underside spanning ten feet across the room, these supports are spaced at 6 ft apart..

The other system of support is a single 2 x 10 spanning the 10 feet at the same angle 7 foot drop over 10 foot span with no lower supporting system these supports are spaced at 3 feet apart.

The enclosed portion of this end of the houses newer style roof is supported by 2 x 6's spaced at 16 inches, spanning 20 feet at a drop of 7 feet in every ten feet of span. This system also has a major beam support midway that is made of 5 sandwiched 2 x 8's to create a free span ceiling from the upstairs peak all the way to the downstairs wall.

We get an average of 105 inches of snowfall a winter here and we have never seen the roof stressed in any way shape or form.  I would have in the past said that we don't have to worry about earthquakes but we have actually two relatively powerful quakes in the last three years now.  We some floor beams in the last one as they were apparently just sitting on the foundation rather than being attached, but in spite of that our roof is quite strong and stable.  

When I used to build pole barns 25 years ago we commonly used 24 foot 2 x 10's notched to nail to a 6 x 6 post on the end, then it would span 10 feet and rest on top of another 6 x 6 post and then it jutted out over that post to be nailed to then end of the opposite 2 x 10 for the peak of the roof.  This created 10 foot pens on the outside of the building and a 16 foot wide aisle down the center.  We put in these 2 x 10 roof supports every 8 feet and then nailed 2 x 4's spanning them to attach the tin to.  The snow load down there was not quite what it is up here but it still up around 75 pounds per square foot I believe.  These roofs were also not as steep as the roof on our house.

I don't know exactly how helpful any of this might be to you but maybe it will give you some idea.
With my 20 some odd thousand trees 40 to 60 feet tall my forests are sequestering about 3,303,000 pounds of CO2 a year or 1,651.5 tons of CO2 per year.  So in my forests I sequester the amount of CO2 per year that the average 83.4 Americans produces.

I am slowly returning my fields to forest as well so each year that amount goes up.

As for Carbon footprint, with a family of six and running a farm our electric bill runs around $105 a month in summer and $120 in the winter.  We produce most of our food so we do not buy a lot of food shipped in from other areas and due to my food allergies and those of our children we never eat out at fast food joints.  We only have to leave the farm once a month generally for the wife's doctors appointments at which time I do all of our monthly shopping and errands.  We drive on average about 150 miles a month including my driving here on the farm.  With six people there is a lot of laundry here, about 40 loads a month, but we air dry our clothes winter and summer, in the winter we use the clothes lines in the house and summer the lines outside, or when it is hot in summer we use the lines in the house which helps to cool the house off as we do not use any kind of air conditioning.

We produce about 1/4 the carbon footprint that the average American does and we sequester enough CO2 to cover our production as well as the average production of another 82 Americans.

This does not include the carbon sequestration of our fields which is relatively low but does sequester a few more tons of carbon each year.  In another 10 years we will likely sequester enough carbon to cover the production of a hundred people beyond our own use.

I admit to laughing a little when I see people bragging about their small CO2 footprint.....  When you get into negative territory I will be impressed a little...
2 years ago
I always allowed the babies to nurse until they were weaning age 10 weeks before I would try to milk any of my goats.

The doe will produce according to demand, the babies suckling all of the time creates a demand and the doe increases production to meet the ever increasing demand.  

As for the makeshift vacuum not sure I would advise that myself.  But then again I made a breast pump for my wife 26 years ago so I probably have no room to talk.

As for the milking you mentioned not working the udder, you want to work the udder and work the milk down and you also want to take your time, it takes a little bit for the milk to work down sometimes.  I found that first year milkers generally did not produce all that well and I never had any Nigerian dwarfs that ever produced much at any age.  

Most of my herd was large Saanen mixes cross bred to Alpine, La mancha and Nubians.  The large goats could produce up to 1 1/2 gallons a day each but my Nigerians and Nigerian crosses generally maxed out at about 1 quart a day being milked twice a day.  As the Nigerian blood became ever diminished down to about 1/4 Nigerian and 3/4 full size the milk production went up to match that of the full sized goats.

As for milking the Nigerians, I had a heck of a time with that, I have large hands and couldn't hardly pull it off with those tiny little teats.  Luckily I had my wife and six kids who ranged in age from age 2 up to milk the Nigerians.  The other issue with the Nigerians is that they commonly sat down while we were trying to milk them, I literally had to hold many of them up while they were milked to keep the udder out of the bucket.  The other challenge was that they are so short it was tough to even fit a bucket under them and even on the milk stand the wife had double over in her wheel chair to get under there.

How much milk are you looking to get a day?
2 years ago