paul wheaton wrote:Ute: Sepp Holzer did not invent Huegelkultur.
me: Did Holzer ever say that he invented hugelkultur? Did anybody say that holzer invented hugelkultur?
So, please help me to understand why it was important to bring this up. It seems we are talking about a really difficult and sensitive topic. Difficult enough without complicating the issue with this.
I wish to address many of the other points you have brought up, but my knee jerk reaction is quite similar to my reaction to this point. It could take years to unravel all of this stuff - but it seems like I must be missing the point as to why they are brought up for consideration at all.
At the moment it feels like (and I could be wrong) negativity toward holzer, and a lack of supporting stuff - so there is a bit of scraping the bottom of the barrel and the dressing up tiny things to make them appear bigger than they really are. If that is the case, it seems like a personal issue - not something worthy of a public forum; not something I wish to publish.
The root of this thread is that somebody suggested that holzer was a lessor person. It sounds like that woman had her day in court with holzer and holzer was found to be reasonable and the woman was put in jail for making up such nasty stuff. I find myself in the awkward position of some comments here appearing to slander holzer and then I need to figure out if I am okay with publishing those words.
On evaluation, like the judge, I am leaning toward favoring holzer. And by "leaning" I mean I have ropes attached to the ceiling keeping me from laying on the ground.
Another line of thought:
Let us suppose that that are 100 geniuses that pursue something like permaculture. And they all attempt to share what they have learned. And each one is subjected to fines and abuse for attempting to share what they have learned. 99 of them go silent. What is the personality of the one that is left standing?
Should we be shocked/surprised/offended at this personality?
For every person that accomplishes something great, there are 20 detractors that have accomplished nothing that will point at the one person and complain long and loud.
John Polk wrote:If Sepp had been a total failure in his endeavors, nobody would have even noticed him.
He has had many successes, and all eyes turn to him. It's like painting a target on his back.
The nit-pickers are all looking for the flaw.
Perhaps, we should rename this thread "Sour Grapes".
Tyler Ludens wrote:..... Not sure who Joe is ...
So in the interest of balance you should consider that Mr. Fiebrig's comment above may be libelous.