Burra Maluca

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Burra is a hermit and a dreamer. Also autistic, and terribly burned out. I live near the bottom of a mountain in Portugal with my partner, my welsh sheepdog, and with my son living close by. I spend my days trying to find the best way to spend my spoons and wishing I had more energy to spend in the garden.
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I wouldn't forage too close to it.

No idea what they were spraying from that pretty yellow trundler, but it's a fair bet it counts as toxic gick...

9 hours ago
I think somewhere I have memories of this car advert buried deep inside me - I just KNEW that corn-stalks burned well.

At least, I always assumed they were corn-stalks. Looking at them now I'm not 100% sure.



Part of me is thinking how long ago that was. And a part of me is also thinking that our current car was already seven years old when the advert was made. Time is weird stuff...
13 hours ago
Pine cones and corn stalks, with twigs snapped off the ends of the prunings off the fruit trees are my go-to.

I try to harvest all the corn stalks into bundles at the end of the growing season, tie them and hang them up in the shed so they keep dry. Then bring one bundle into the house at a time.

Sometimes if the tree prunings still have leaves on after they've dried I use them - fire starter and kindling all in one!
14 hours ago

Daniel Andy wrote:its only $27000 brand new.



That's what I'd expect to spend on the actual homestead....
17 hours ago
When I first moved to Portugal over twenty years ago, the place had been abandoned for decades, just ploughed up every year to keep it 'clean'. We couldn't grow any legumes at all! I can't remember where we got it or what it was called, but we got some sort of root inoculant and soaked fava (broad bean) seed in it and grew a little patch of them just fine. The next year we dug up some of the soil from that patch, mixed it with water and soaked a bigger batch of bean seed in it and planted some in the original patch and the rest in 'new' patches. They all grew fine. And over the next few years all kinds of peas and beans started to be able to grow.

The ones that didn't do well were the 'runner bean' types, Phaseolus coccineus. As far as I can tell they won't pollinate during very hot weather (something to do with pollen tubes not growing?) so although the plant grows you don't get any beans off them. I did attempt a breeding project with them once, including the Portuguese feijoca which is the same species but grown as perennial for the dry bean. I never really got anywhere with it though as life happened, as it is wont to do. Other green beans that were Phaseolus vulgaris rather than Phaseolus coccinius managed perfectly well.

We're at a different place now, with better soil, and which hadn't been abandoned for so long. The beans just grow here fine, no problem at all.

The bean that most of the locals grow as a storage crop is feijão frade, which you might know as the black-eyed pea. They seem particularly good at coping with heat, drought, neglect and poor soil.

I'd recommend finding someone near to you who grows beans successfully and begging a shovel-full of soil from their bean-patch to mix into a slurry to inoculate your seed, just in case your soil doesn't have enough of the right bugs.
17 hours ago

Kali De Keyser wrote: But what about the urine ? would it to be sent into the sewage system ?



Paul's system involves peeing outside where possible, as does mine. Though I have a bucket for me personally to use just in case a passenger train goes past at the wrong moment... I think you'd have to figure out a system for the pee that suits your own needs. Can your garden use all your pee? Will the neighbours complain if they notice?

Still the information about the volume and time is interesting - if 5 people fill a 120l barrel in 3 months, then 2 persons would fill 120 l barrel in 71/2 months or 2 x 60 l barrels or 4 x 30 l barrels... But the volume are different with a compost toilet which does not separate the urine...



Check out my thread as a few people have put some ideas there. It seems that different households need quite vastly different volumes of barrel space. Also there seems be quite a big saving if you use bigger barrels - I think it compacts over the course of a few weeks. Hard and fast rules don't seem to apply.
I think a willow feeder would suit you very well.

Basically you use a barrel, actually several barrels, and the poop is stored in it for two years so that it is pathogen free and can then be put safely on the ground.

This video might explain it a bit better.



If you use a barrel the right size for you to be able to physically transport it, when it's full you can just take it to the farm you mentioned and stash it out of the way until it's ready to empty. You'll end up with several barrels, so make sure they're labelled with the date they can be safely emptied.

Here's my thread on our experiments making and using one - Experimenting with the willow feeder idea...

Brian White wrote:The situation is bleak ... because nitrates are the biggest  problem


I responded to this once before, with the usual permie-mindset stuff about using urine and humanure.

But of course the short-term problems are bigger than peeing in the garden can fix.

I made a cider-press thread to talk about one possible solution that big ag crop producers could implement, and the more I look into it the more it seems that it would work to pretty much wipe out the need for nitrate fertiliser - Can changes in crop rotation allow big ag to eliminate the need for synthetic fertiliser?

I found a lot of very useful information in this article.

In short it seems that the USA, India and Canada have it totally within their grasp to replace nitrogen fertiliser with increased legume production, needing to increase the area of legumes grown by around a third.

Whilst China, Ukraine, Pakistan, France and Germany are going to have their work cut out for them if the nitrogen fertiliser supply dries up because they are going to need to increase it by up to 2800%.

If enough of us switch our diets so that we all eat more beans, it might be possible to prevent the cost of food going up 10x.

I found this paper which covers some of what I've been thinking about  -

Integrating legumes to enhance cereal production: The relative inputs of fertiliser nitrogen and legume biological nitrogen fixation in major wheat and maize producing countries

I pulled out some of what seem to me to be the most pertinent bits and posted them below...

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Cereal crops dominate arable agriculture and underpin global food supply. Cereal grain yield is closely related to crop nitrogen (N) uptake.

An increased role for legumes

Legumes can contribute significantly to redesigned systems of cereal production. Not only would species diversity be increased in otherwise cereal-dominated cropping sequences

(i) Produce quality high-protein grain and forage without the need for fertiliser N). This is due to biological N2 fixation (BNF) through symbiotic relationships with soil bacteria, rhizobia, which typically satisfy between 40–80% of a legume’s N requirements depending upon the legume species and farming system.

(ii) Emit less GHG’s than N fertilised cereals during growth and, depending upon management and rainfall, systems that utilise legume residues as a source of N for subsequent crops generally have a lower risk of N losses than where fertiliser-N is used.

(iii) Induce beneficial changes in soil biology, structure, nutrient and water availability, as well as slowing the decline in soil organic C compared to cereal monocultures, and in some cases encouraging C sequestration  and.

(iv) Reduce the N fertiliser requirements for, and improve the N fertiliser use efficiency of, subsequent crops.

This paper aims to:

1. Describe the varied uses of legumes in agriculture and their global inputs of BNF,

2. Summarise the impact of different legume systems on cereal grain yield, biomass production, and N uptake across different geographic regions,

3. Compare the net inputs of legume N as BNF and in legume residues to cropping soils in the major wheat and maize producing countries to the amounts of N removed in grain and applied as fertiliser,

4. Calculate the extent to which areas of legumes would need to be increased in each country to match the current N offtake in wheat and maize grain or the N supplied by N fertiliser, and

5. Outline a range of prospective strategies that might be required to facilitate more legumes being grown by farmers in cereal-based cropping systems.

The effect of legumes on intercropped cereals

Intercropping wheat or maize with legumes frequently results in improved stability in the productivity of both cereal and legume crops, increased cereal uptake of N per plant and higher cereal grain protein contents than when the cereal is grown as a sole crop . It has widely been speculated that legumes contribute to the N nutrition of cereals in intercropping and mixed cropping systems via the direct transfer of legume N to cereals growing in the immediate proximity. Many different above- and below-ground mechanisms have been proposed that might conceivably facilitate such transfer. Various 15N-based technologies have been deployed in an attempt study these potential pathways for legume N. However, the interpretation of data can be complex and controversial as in reality N transfer is probably occurring in all directions; from legume to legume, from legume to cereal, and from cereal to cereal.

Legumes in major cereal producing countries and their N dynamics

The net inputs of fixed N play a key role in determining the rate of depletion of the soil N reserves over time and affect the organic N fertility of cropping soils. However, it is likely that the amount of N remaining in legume residues at the end of a growing-season will be a more important source of N contributing to soil mineral N status and the rotational benefits for following crops. The N removed in grain represented around half of the total amount of N accumulated by pulses and oilseed legume crops. The estimated amounts of N remaining in the above-ground legume vegetative residues and nodulated roots at the time of grain harvest in the 15 main wheat and maize producing countries corresponded to 23.2 Tg N.

Discussion

...estimates of BNF by grain legumes were found to be greater than the amounts of N removed in harvested legume grain in all 15 countries except the Ukraine. In other words, assuming no major post-harvest losses of N, grain legumes generally added to, rather than depleted, the N reserves of cereal cropping soils. The other main observation was that Brazil was the only country where net inputs of fixed N exceeded cereal grain N offtake and fertiliser-N supply, although the amount of residual legume N remaining after grain legumes either approached or surpassed cereal N demand in USA, India, Brazil, Argentina and Canada. Across the other ten countries, there were substantial shortfalls in the estimated annual amounts of legume residue N, especially in Pakistan, France and Germany where returns of legume N to cereal cropping soils represented < 10% the N harvested in wheat and maize grain N or applied as fertiliser.

Given that the 15 countries producing the bulk of the world’s wheat and maize grain also consume over 80% of the total N fertiliser applied to those two crops, the frequency of legumes in cereal-based cropping systems will need to increase in all the major cereal producing countries except Brazil and Argentina before legumes can make any meaningful global impact in reducing applications of fertiliser-N in future cereals systems. The size of this challenge is illustrated in the data in Table 8 which shows the degree to which the areas of grain legumes would need to be expanded to redress the present imbalance between legume and fertiliser sources of N to meet cereal N demand. These values have been derived from calculations of the shortfalls in the amounts of legume N returned to cereal cropping soils by assuming the increased legume areas consisted of the identical mix of legume crops currently grown in each country using the similar agronomic and stubble management practices as present, with the same rates of residual legume N return depicted in Table 6. The additional residual legume N achieved from a 10–32% increase in legume areas grown in India, USA and Canada was calculated to be sufficient to match current cereal N offtake and/or fertiliser-N supply, and possibly a doubling of the area of grain legumes might be necessary in the Russian Federation and Australia (Table 8). This conceivably could be achieved through fallow replacement, intercropping or the substitution of legumes in the place of minor small grain crops. However, in the case of the three to seven-fold increase in grain legume area needed in South Africa, Indonesia, Mexico and China, and the 12 to almost 30-fold greater area of legumes required in France, Germany, Ukraine or Pakistan (Table 8) any meaningful attempt to redress the current imbalance would entail a reduction in cereal area.

Table 8 Estimates of how much the area of legumes would need to be expanded in the future for returns of residual legume N to match current wheat and maize grain N demand or the amounts of N fertiliser applied by the 15 major wheat and maize producing countries. The additional legume area values are expressed in terms of Mha and as a percentage of the average areas grown in each country during the five-year period 2018–2022.



Conclusions

...in the absence of supplementary N fertiliser, wheat and maize grain yields, biomass, and N uptake are all higher in the first cereal grown following legumes compared to where the preceding crop had been a non-legume. Improvements in productivity and crop N-dynamics were also observed in the second cereal crop, albeit smaller than demonstrated in the first cereal, and there was evidence that legume rotational effects can persist into the third cereal cropping year.

However, integration of legumes into cereal cropping systems will need to be substantially increased in most countries before such benefits can be exploited to reduce the dependence of cereal production on synthetic N. To achieve this, it will be necessary to reverse the policy and trade-related decisions and shifts in consumer dietary preferences responsible for the long-term stagnation or decline in the global areas of some pulse species

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It seems to me that Brazil and Argentina are doing something right!

And that the USA, India and Canada have it totally within their grasp to replace nitrogen fertiliser with increased legume prodution.

Whilst China, Ukraine, Pakistan, France and Germany are going to have their work cut out for them if the nitrogen fertiliser supply dries up!

My final take on this - EAT MORE BEANS!

I think I need to start a thread on favourite pulse recipes...

2 days ago

Christopher Weeks wrote:They could also grow corn that fixes atmospheric nitrogen if they were just willing to decrease their yield.


Ooooh interesting - I hope more work is being done to study this and incorporate the genetics into varieties that suit modern agriculture.



According to wikipedia this variety is Sierra Mixe corn

This variety grows unusually tall—up to 4.9 metres—and has aerial roots that secrete a mucilage that drips around the plant. This secretion supports the growth of symbiotic bacteria that fix nitrogen and so fertilize the plant.[1]

There is commercial and scientific interest in this variety, and its genetics are being researched to develop other self-fertilizing varieties that would reduce or eliminate the need for other fertilizers.


3 days ago