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Rene Bagwell


Joined: Mar 28, 2012
Posts: 6
Location: SW Montana
I about choked on my iced tea when I read the orignal post. LOL

Living in the mountains of Montana, male or female, you better be able to use the bathroom outside! Yes, we obviously have bathrooms here but we're outside hiking, snowshoeing and snowmobiling so
much that its gonna happen that you're gonna need to go where no bathroom exists. Its usually easy for us ladies to find 2 rocks/boulders reasonably close to one another to sit between them without
squating and guys, well, you guys have it easy.

Interesting topic to say the lease.
Sunny Earles


Joined: May 07, 2012
Posts: 2
This is a funny topic! I grew up on an organic farm in the NW and there were outhouses and the males could of course pee outside. Now I have a permaculture style garden/yard and I urinate in a watering can from Lowe's that fits a woman's anatomy perfectly. I have several of them so I can add water and water the garden. I do think it would be weird to urinate outside because I would be so visible in my urban environment but since I prefer to save the urine to use in the garden it does not matter anyway! But I do envy the males that can just wing it off the deck. Thanks all! I will try to post a pic of my watering cans! Go girls! I am responding to this because when I spoke up about using urine in a recent permie class people were surprised about this.
Pamela Melcher


Joined: Jan 10, 2012
Posts: 258
Location: Portland, Oregon Maritime, temperate, zone 7-8.
OK, I am taking my cue from Paul.

This is some of the best fertilizer in the world we are talking about.

Naturopaths have told me that it is better for my health not to wear underpants at all, ever, because the air circulation is better for my skin and discourages unwanted bacteria. They are doctors. So I followed their advice and never regretted it, in fact, I have been much happier.

I find that applies somewhat to pants in general, so I almost always wear skirts.

I only wear underpants when on my moon.

So, when I wear a skirt - no problem. II can be standing, squatting, whatever I wish. I just hold it out so I do not pee on it and then air dry. I wait a few minutes before I sit down.

So simple.

If I am wearing a long skirt, I am home free anywhere. I think that public toilets are disgusting, so I have even peed in a park in the city and no one knew but me and the plants who loved the nitrogen.

It is very freeing. No tension about finding a disgusting public restroom.

At home I choose plants I want to fertilize that I will not be eating the leaves of. It is s joy to watch them green up.

I rotate the location so it does not smell too strong, or kill plants from too much nitrogen.

However, if you WANT to l kill a plant, simply apply urine to it until it dies. This works very well with poison oak. In that case, it is best to use a jar and pour it on without touching the plant.

Who originated the idea that we should have shame about the practical use of one of the best fertilizers in the word, and why did they do that?

Good questions.

Pamela Melcher

Pamela Melcher
Happiness, Health, Peace and Abundance for All.
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Chrissie Bettencourt


Joined: May 26, 2012
Posts: 7
I have to say I am firmly in camp B, I have been peeing outdoors since childhood and have no issues. I much prefer going out doors especially when the indoor bathroom situation is less than optimal. I am not a big fan of public bathrooms I can understand however how many would be annoyed with the sprinkling situation, and squatting if you have bad knees. I was not happy about it either, but over the years I have made some "adjustments" that have helped and made peeing in the outdoors much easier. The first is the whole squat position. You do not necessarily have to completely squat down. I have found that standing with legs wide apart and leaning your torso forward and thrusting your hips/buttocks back (with just a slight bend in the knees) works just as well. Knee problem solved. As for aim, I agree with one of the comments above that "pushing" more will help. But also, and I am not really sure there is any delicate way to say this so I won't bother, it helps if before you pee, you "spread apart" parts of your genitalia with your fingers. As females things tend to get sort of "bunched up" and hence aim issues arise. As for clean up afterwards, I just use mullein leaves. We have a lot of mullein that grows on the property and it makes for excellent natural toilet paper. We have a bidet in the house so it makes it easier to clean up after.
Pamela Melcher


Joined: Jan 10, 2012
Posts: 258
Location: Portland, Oregon Maritime, temperate, zone 7-8.
The portal through which we all enter this physical plane of existence is sacred.

I finally read all of this thread and it is very freeing.

Masanobu Fukuoka says "Shit is Buddha." I think we can generalize that to urine.

I heard Masanobu Fukuoka speak in person, and he has a very thick Japanese accent, and pronounces it "Sheeet eees Buddha." And he smiles a big smile. Very loveable.

Only a little tangential - I think this is very practical. How women can reduce their use of toilet paper to 1/3 of present levels. When I use toilet paper after I pee, I save it in a bag, and the next time I need to pee I use the other side of that bunch of toilet paper. Washing my hands takes care of sanitation. I collect it and when I need to poo, I use the twice used toilet paper. Washing my hands takes care of the need for sanitation.

Saving trees and reducing industrial pollution by doing that makes me very happy.

Visualizing an earth with pure air and water and radiating health through healthy, well nourished plants and animals, including the human species.
Many Blessings,
Pamela Melcher
Clover Love


Joined: Mar 17, 2012
Posts: 52
Location: Tacoma, WA [8B-7B]
I like Pamela's 1/3TP idea. Having cloth diapered and use cloth moon rags, I'd gladly go cloth with that 1/3 approach. I was basically doing that with my daughter for toilet potties and when I approached my DH with the idea that we all do it, he balked. I think I'll revisit the idea for DD and I.

My most recent thoughts on how: there's a handy spray nozzle that attaches to the toilet plumbing (DIY here) to help with clinging residue, an attractive 'diaper' bucket, and enough cloth wipes for the household (and willing guests) for 5 days, with laundry every 3rd day. A lovely basket for the clean ones, too.

I like the wipes my grt aunt made for DD, 2 layers of attractive thin flannel sewn together. I've used old wash cloths and it's not the same experience.


I live in Bizzaro World.
Michelle Green


Joined: Jul 31, 2012
Posts: 4
I take a beach umbrella with me when there isnt enough privacy, open it, lay it on its side & tuck in behind it to do the job.
Hmmm...Why not build a pee only outhouse with a drainage hose that goes into the compost pile? I'll add that to my list of projects
Jay Green


Joined: Feb 03, 2012
Posts: 587
    
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I just had to get in on the pee thread! LOL I'm in the B camp. Even when it's not necessary to pee outside, I'll take the opportunity to do so..particularly at night. For some reason it feels so primal and right, almost like a marking of the territory for me. Our rhubarb was so very lovely this year!!

Been doing it ever since I was a little girl and, when you are raised with an outhouse as your toilet, it is far more comfortable to squat and pee in the winter than it is to sit on that ice cold seat.

As for wiping...a brisk shake and a few seconds to air dry is mostly adequate. Carrying a bandana or family cloth with you on your choring in the woods and fields is also an option.
LaLena MaeRee


Joined: Jun 14, 2012
Posts: 148
Edit: I forgot to point out the recent forum moving is making things really hard to find, I had to wait for this thread to show up as an ad at the bottom because I searched in all the compost and humanure ones for it, bummer

I imagine Paul doesn't actually come read this forum, but I thought if he does he might like to know it was actually originally the first one I wanted to reply to on permies, but I wasn't a member yet and I was in a rush that day. I love this topic, as I grew up in a family who went camping and gold mining every single summer, so I have been "peein' in the wooods" since diaper age. I remember being really little and mom or dad would put their hands out under our knees so when we squatted we were kinda sitting on their arms so we didn't fall, until we were big and balanced enough to do it ourselves. I also remember being kids playing in the sprinkler in the summer and my sister and I both would just run to a rose bush, still standing, move our swimsuit bottom over and pee on the rose bush. We were always proud of our standing pee during sprinkler times, lol. Now, as a 28 year old adult, I live in a travel trailer that is not hooked up to septic. It never will be either, the toilet is going to be ripped out and replaced with a composting 5 gallon bucket set up, but anyways...for right now I kept a folgers can with the lid, but I don't seal the lid. It sits in the bath tub as we do not use our shower right now anyway. I can easily step in there, pee in the can which I just hold at an angle to make easier, otherwise you splash yourself. Drip dry. Every morning or sometimes more often if I have drank coffee lately and peed a lot, I take my folgers can with lid out and dump it either where we plan to have our next garden or in an existing one that won't be harvested anytime soon. I of course still make sure to do this when the male room mates are not home, as our trailer is in someone's yard(out of city limits). I'm lazier than most probably would be with actually washing it, but I do that once in awhile. Sometimes I just let it sit out on a rainy day, then go empty the rain and let it sit upside down in the sun til its dry. The longer you store pee, and higher amount, the more smell you will get, I can definitely tell you that. That is why I just let the lid sit loose now, and the bathroom roof vent is always cracked so odors can escape better.

My advice to anyone who is against going outside to pee is go learn about septic systems. My dad installed them for many years, so I know how much of an unhealthy, environmental nightmare they are. I also know that WOMEN cause the most pollution in them, stop flushing tampons and pads, they are NOT flushable no matter how many times the damn box lies that they are. Also, the treatment and maintenence of modern sewage systems proves how wrong these systems are. They require so much input and constant monitoring and WORK that they are the definition of unsustainable, you just don't know it because you aren't the one who has to go swim in shit and bloody tampons at work every day. When you throw something away there is no away, where do you think all your urine and poo go? Women, of all people, should be more aware of how often they send toxins off for someone else to deal with, when if they had done it right those toxins would have been mere fertilizer for their closed loop of proper health and wellbeing.

This was our first year growing food and we have tomatoes so good people are begging for more of them, they can thank our pee, as my boyfriend also walks to the garden to pee. And for clarification, NO, neither of us take pills of any kind, and haven't for a lot of years. We are also disease free, which I don't think the stores' tomatoes fertilizier can claim.


When you throw something away, there is no 'away'
Morana Revel


Joined: Jun 22, 2012
Posts: 36
Emerson White wrote:It is not sterile. Blood is sterile inside your veins (mostly), but anything that opens to the outside world (other than your urinary tract is unlikely to be sterile, that's why TSS happen, Staph. naturally living in the body feeds off the blood in the tampon and populations build to massive levels over the course of 12 hours and the toxins produced go in through the mucus membrane. Incidentally everyone is constantly shedding retroviruses, even in their blood. They are everywhere, its best to avoid sharing bodily fluids with too many people.


Technically, it IS sterile. But with urine and blood, as soon as it hits oxygen, it is instantly not....contaminated ...but more like activated. It is not the fact that it is sterile or not sterile. It is that blood and urine contain just about the perfect blend of stuff to make the growing of OTHER stuff perfect. Add to that that in a healthy body we naturally have things like yeast growing, all that is missing is Oxygen.

Trust me and my microbiology classes on that. It is what is contained in it, not what it is.

So as long as a body is healthy, I don't see the issue with the various peeing outdoors. Not even as a form of fertilization.

The BIG issue is that a lot of people are not healthy; heart medicine, diabetes medicine, cancer medicine. THOSE do not need to be included on our food. Those do not even need to be included on our compost piles. Compost piles can heat up and kill a certain amount of contaminants. It will not however, remove medications or anything that cannot be killed or adulterated by heat.


Morana Revel


Joined: Jun 22, 2012
Posts: 36
Pamela Melcher wrote:OK, I am taking my cue from Paul.

This is some of the best fertilizer in the world we are talking about.

YES! it is.

As to why grass turns yellow and dies from some urines.... too much potassium or something. It is the same as putting a large handful of commercial fertilizer down. It is not the what,but how much.

That being said, I have been peeing outdoors most of my life. When I was young, it was to step between rows of our garden and try not to make too much of a muddy spot that others would get "muddy".

In college, down on the amphitheater, it was being too lazy to walk back to the dorms. Since the guys in my group were, for the most part, gay, privacy was a given.

Then there was in college, while living in a sorority dorm and watching the drunk chicks come home to roost, that I got the finer lessons in peeing standing up. I was sitting with a friend in a car talking...no lights on or anything, when drunk chicks and drunk guy stand in front of my car and take bets on who can pee the farthest. The problem was there was one guy and a bunch of drunk chicks.... the guy thought he could win. Turns out he lost and my future husband and I got a great lesson from some drunk Appalachia chicks on the finer points of a "lady" peeing while standing. Now I have since practiced (in the bathtub firmly pointed toward the wall) and It does work, but I personally find it easier to simply squat. I have found that is was easier and a skinny little chick. As an older, less skinny version...not so much.

Now, I use it to enrich the compost pile and for direct watering. I have brought in a large amount of wood chips to use as a base for next years plantings. I have been watering the wood chips with urine so that in the spring, when I bring in soil, I will have a decent understory. I simply have a large collection jar I fill and carry out.

But that is also my personal urine. Not my husbands who is a diabetic on about 6 different medications. I supplement with vitamins and herbs. On the days I take pain pills, I use the normal facilities. Even the cats urine is getting its own special place. After sorting out the fecal matter, I use wheat hulls or corn cob shreds, it is dumped in an out of the way spot for future mulching of non-edibles after PH adjusting.



Anna Demb


Joined: Nov 17, 2011
Posts: 21
I like to pee near a large- and soft-leafed plant, preferably a goosefoot maple, for TP. A skirt is great for hiding the stream, but a wide shirt or jacket will also do well. When I am concerned about splashing, I squat but with my butt way up in the air. Also you have to squat with your legs wide apart.
Timothy Brogan


Joined: Jul 28, 2012
Posts: 35
Location: Oregon Coast
Check out the new podcast here that covers the Females Peeing Outdoors discussion: http://www.richsoil.com/permaculture/2009-211-females-peeing-outdoors/

And here is ther podcast thread: http://www.permies.com/t/18062/podcast/Podcast-Females-Peeing-Outdoors


America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. - Oscar Wilde
Natasha Lovell


Joined: Aug 01, 2012
Posts: 8
Location: ~1 hr South of Seattle
Granted I'm young (22), strong and limber, but I've never had a splashing problem unless I aim at a bad spot on the ground. No wiping needed, but an occasional shake off helps. But, maybe it's also because I've had lots of practice...been doing it since I was very small, don't remember what age I started. I suspect my dad was more supportive of said activity than my mom when I was a kid, she gets a little testy if she knows I'm "going" outside. And we live on 6 wooded acres...plenty of cover. So yeah, I'm a group B'er, and comfortable doing so (well, in private at least).


Rubystar Nubian and Guernsey dairy goats...and now hair sheep...like I needed more animals...
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Morana Revel


Joined: Jun 22, 2012
Posts: 36
Natasha Lovell wrote:So yeah, I'm a group B'er, and comfortable doing so (well, in private at least).


Is it just me, but what is the big deal? Please med, you have been peeing int he snow for years! Let us have our fun now!

I dont even really care about private that much. When I rode horses (age 12 to 20), you popped a squat where you could. There would be anywhere from 20 to 50 horses with all ages and a real mixed bad of people. Sometimes it would be a group of women in a grove of trees, sometimes it was several horses with long tails standing together blocking the ladies from the road.

Occasionally, there would be a male look out. I later found out (years later) that there was a pedophile that rode with us sometimes. An older male knew about him and would escort the younger ladies to the trees.

I have even been known to try and pee off the back of the horse.
Morana Revel


Joined: Jun 22, 2012
Posts: 36
Morana Revel wrote:Please med, quote]

Was supposed to be Please Men! sorry...lol
Xisca Nicolas


Joined: Aug 06, 2012
Posts: 979
Location: La Palma Canary Zone 11
    
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Haha, there is even a way we ladies can pee standing up like males!

The problem is that "real" males can do it publicly, and that is a bit of problem for women, like once someone looking strange at me when I was on my way back (was I really as female as I did look?)



About toilet paper, well, a hand and a little bottle or a glass of water just do fine.
It is traditionally the left hand, the right one being for eating...


Xisca - Canary - Look at pics! Dry subtropical Mediterranean - My project
However loud I tell it, this is never a truth, only my experience...
Jennifer Vo


Joined: Apr 04, 2012
Posts: 1
Ok, I just tried this .. Because I am curious. How hard is this?? Well not too hard. I just pretended I was a guy and directed my parts with my hands. I just clasp my hands around my vaginal opening, pushed my hips forward..which helped pull both labias apart and slightly up. I started urinating and got a stream going about 4 feet out in front of me. I was standing in front of the toilet. At first, I even over shot the toilet. But then I ajusted my hand and success! NO drips and No t.p. I kind of felt like a guy. I was thinking of that scene from Mrs. Doubfire, and hoped no one would walk in and get the WRONG idea. I have labored two children. So of course, I am a women. I thought gee thats why some can't hit the bowl. It takes aim. Poor little boys who live in the city. They can't practice their aim. Next time, I may stand over the toilet a little more and aim more down. When I am home in the snow guess what I am going to do? lol
BTW I am in Vietnam. I think it is very interesting how they potty train their children. I witnessed this while hanging clothes out. My neighbor had a 8 month old girl when I got here. The mother would feed her baby then about a half hour or so later would pull down her pants and cradle her between her legs in a squated position. Then, She would make a shhh shhh shhhh noise with her mouth and the baby would go everytime. She would stay there as long as it took. No more than 3 to 5 min. I think the open air and the noise led the child to have the urge more. The baby just started going on Q. Pooping there too. The dog was happy to clean that up. Hungry dog. That was kind of weird to see. The dogs knew the baby was going to poop and waited for it. Now she is 1yr old. I haven't seen her doing that for a couple months. So, I think she was trained at 10 months. I don't think she ever used diapers. They do have a lot of tile here. So, clean ups are easy. I thought wow, great method!
Xisca Nicolas


Joined: Aug 06, 2012
Posts: 979
Location: La Palma Canary Zone 11
    
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A brave woman shows how to pee standing and with the pants on!
Spontaneous video during a treck in mountain with cold wind.
Very useful for climbing, and in public toilets!



(well, it is in spanish... but the video is in international sign language haha!)
Pamela Melcher


Joined: Jan 10, 2012
Posts: 258
Location: Portland, Oregon Maritime, temperate, zone 7-8.
Film about elimination communication, a way to bring up children without diapers.

Elimination communication has many positive aspects to recommend it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j20B-c9-K3Q

Very ecological Very good psychologically

This film was made by a dear friend of mine who is very practical and very wise.
Meryt Helmer


Joined: Oct 02, 2012
Posts: 258
Location: west marin, bay area california uncertain of zone. sandy loam well drained soil and lots of shade
    
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i have done elimination communication with both my children although my youngest started walking very early (7 months) and was in to much of a hurry for me to catch her pees so we had to relax a lot about it. we worked more on the communication and now at 14 months she has the patience to stop running long enough to pee! I was delighted to hear the recent podcast about peeing in nature. I always have wanted to learn how but was also always very bad at it. I had told myself for years that if i ever had a daughter i would learn so that she would learn and grow up feeling comfortable and able to pee anyplace and a few weeks ago I started teaching myself to pee standing up! I have some female to male trans friends that have always peed standing up like a boy and can do it with pants up at a urinal so if they can do it I can certainly learn how as well. so far my biggest problem is figuring out how to aim at all down. when i pee standing up it goes straight out in front of me at least three feet. i have been practicing in the bathtub. anyone here know how to pee standing up and aim down? i'm sure i will figure it out soon. i don't practice often have just been doing it a few times.
Xisca Nicolas


Joined: Aug 06, 2012
Posts: 979
Location: La Palma Canary Zone 11
    
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Pamela, that is a great topic, why don't you make a new threat, so that the title helps for future search?

Olivia, did you see the video I put? This is easier, and I found it so great when it is cold, or when I went to a forest full of mosquitoes!
The real problem to pee standing is not to send it so far at the beginning, that is the finish!
Pamela Melcher


Joined: Jan 10, 2012
Posts: 258
Location: Portland, Oregon Maritime, temperate, zone 7-8.
Xisca,

I am glad that my post about elimination communication resonates with you. Thank you for the suggestion of creating a new topic on the subject..

Below is the first entry in the new topic which I just created titled "Elimination Communication: a practical way to raise children from birth with minimal or zero diapers."

"This is the trailer to a film, "Nappy Free" about elimination communication, which is a simple, practical and time-tested way to raise children from birth with minimal or zero diapers.

"Nappy" is the word for diapers in Australia, the country where the film maker lives.

Elimination communication really works.

People who love cleanliness delight in it.

The practice is good for babies' health and the environment; and once mastered (not difficult), easier than diapers.

This practice empowers children as cooperative beings, which the next generation needs to survive at all, as well as to thrive.

The diaper industry is very profitable. Whose idea was it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j20B-c9-K3Q

This film was made by one of my most respected friends. I receive no benefit from recommending this dvd."
Morana Revel


Joined: Jun 22, 2012
Posts: 36
Jennifer Vo wrote: I don't think she ever used diapers. They do have a lot of tile here. So, clean ups are easy. I thought wow, great method!


There was a podcast on this. All about how "NOT" to use diapers. Very informative. And I could SO see the point! All it takes in a parents involvement with their kids.

I was trained by about 12-13 months and my older brother by about 13-14 months.

My mother would get SO mad. I showed up asthmatic when I was 15mo. I went into the hospital and the first thing they did was put me in a diaper. She had a fit, said that I was potty trained and they were essentially undoing all of her training. The hospital in Sylmar (?) said that their pediatric unit was not set up for it. They would change everyone's diapers at the same time and it was better for the nurses. So mom had to come in several times a day in between her job, fixing dinner and everything else and make sure I never went in the diaper.

Not that I remember, but once I got out of the hospital, mom put me in swimming lessons to exercise my lungs. There I am swimming across the pool! I have pics and video and I am so tiny. No diaper in site. Of course now, all the pics/videos are considered pornographic!

I still suck on land. But I can swim like a fish, my record of holding my breath is about 4 minutes and I learned never to panic in Asthma attacks because I could hold my breath longer than the lung spasms would last.
Meryt Helmer


Joined: Oct 02, 2012
Posts: 258
Location: west marin, bay area california uncertain of zone. sandy loam well drained soil and lots of shade
    
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Xisca Nicolas wrote:Pamela, that is a great topic, why don't you make a new threat, so that the title helps for future search?

Olivia, did you see the video I put? This is easier, and I found it so great when it is cold, or when I went to a forest full of mosquitoes!
The real problem to pee standing is not to send it so far at the beginning, that is the finish!


i just watched the video. i already have a go girl and i use it when i go on long bike rides through the woods. i want to learn to pee standing up with no device. there is a video here with a lady who does it although she has shorts and does it i think out the side of a leg hole. http://youtu.be/uBiift_rbLQ

my best friend has peed standing up since he was in elementry school and he is female to male trans so i guess i should ask if he has any tips. i have been a bit shy about asking him tho. really i think it is what you said i need to save the last bit for the finish. as it is the whole time the stream goes straight out. that is when i manage to get everything right to not make a mess. when i get it right i make no mess at all though and need no paper!
leila hamaya


Joined: Jun 30, 2012
Posts: 699
Location: northern northern california
    
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cant read all this, but so far this is an interesting thread.
i'm in camp b- pee outside all the time. on the garden, by a tree, wherever.

has anyone mentioned a butt slap??
when squatting once your done-slapping your own butt, kind of a shake off happens....

maybe sounds totally bizarro but it does work ok, especially combined with a bit of bounce
=)

ah the luxury of tp, and especially wipes is great, try to stock up whenever i can but i dont always have them. more often i use a clean rag/sock/whatever fabric. but theres times where none of that is at hand.

a sister at one of the communes i lived at shared about the butt slap, and it caught on. sometimes you could hear coming from some nearby trees, the sound of one of the ladies slapping her own butt
Clover Love


Joined: Mar 17, 2012
Posts: 52
Location: Tacoma, WA [8B-7B]
Xisca,

I have a pStyle, looks exactly like the device in the video. I love mine. I have a little pouch that I got from Lunapads.com, that I carry it in. Sometimes, I'll stuff a little tissue in the bag, just to absorb any drips on it. I hook it onto my belt loop for convenience. I feel like I still have to master the splatter, but I love the lack of pull down!
Xisca Nicolas


Joined: Aug 06, 2012
Posts: 979
Location: La Palma Canary Zone 11
    
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I am sure Americans are ahead of Europeans for this stuff and others!
I like the forum here....

(haha, I surely like to fell myself "ahead" then!!!)

PS : This device found in Europe comes from... US!
(Sure, after going too far in "the stupid path", in obesity and other, that is time to go further and go out of it.
I just hope some people from some countries will not have to go all the way "so called developed countries" have gone, before joining the path of recovering health for us and the earth!)

So, now I want to learn how and in what case I can pee without a modern piece of plastic!
My problem is "the last drops"...
Meryt Helmer


Joined: Oct 02, 2012
Posts: 258
Location: west marin, bay area california uncertain of zone. sandy loam well drained soil and lots of shade
    
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the device i use is called a go girl and it is soft silicone and folds up. i think i got in on amazon.com for less than 10 dollars. i actually have a few of them. one in my saddle bag on my bicycle and one for the glove compartment of the car. they work well but I like learning to pee standing up without any device and without needing anything to wipe after. i look at it like this. i wonder how apes pee.
Jamie Jedinak


Joined: Jun 11, 2012
Posts: 10
I pee standing up with ease...I just use my fingers, aim my urethra out and do a gentle lean forward and Wah Lah! I am peeing straight out with little drip or mess, easy for me, give it a try - WARNING ! It does mean you have to touch yourself - HA hAHAHAHA - wash up after or rub fingers in dirt, works everytime!! Jamie from Sedro Woolley!
Greg Harvey


Joined: Feb 21, 2011
Posts: 22
Location: Columbia, Missouri
    
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I liked the podcast episode on this topic and will have my wife listen to it and share that wisdom with our daughters. Heck, this is a skill you'd need even if you had to go on the side of the road somewhere.

I did want to share one item. Years ago in National Geographic they had a feature on the Amish. One set of pictures was of some Amish kids having a peeing contest off the back porch of their school. They boys were very interested when the girl hiked up her skirt and outdid them for distance!


Greg Harvey
Columbia, Missouri
Karen Briggs


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jacque greenleaf wrote:Unfortunately, for women, drip drying is just not a great option, as you eventually start to smell like a substandard nursing home.


having worked in nursing home for years (a rich one at that) I am familiar with that smell and found this statement hilarious.

Very much not the smell I want to have.


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Pj Maddox


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I don't know if you have heard the story of the Gal who came upon a few men having a pissing contest.
They were lined up seeing who could piss highest against a brick wall. So She said: "Is that the best you can do?"
"I bet I can piss higher than any of you. So they all got in on the wager. She went First.

She walked up to the wall, pulled down her panties and slapped it up against the wall. She was long legged and it was over Three feet high.
The first man got up, unzipped and he took a hold of it - Whoa she said, "No hands". They all tried flippin and pissin, but she still won.


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laura sharpe


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paul wheaton wrote:Talking about this awkward stuff is what I wanted to bulldoze through in the hopes that what appears here will help improve things.

So with the sideways factor - on a toilet, some of the issues are mitigated, but outside you could end up wetting your shoes, your leg, etc.  Is that about right?

If that is the case, then I wonder if there are women that have experiences this issue and have come up with solutions.  Solutions that are not normally shared because there generally isn't an opportunity to share this sort of thing.



I was going to mention the sideways issue just now lol. That is mostly mitigated if you stand with your feet wide enough apart. None the less, even though i know the solution i end up peeing whatever is in the way fairly often when outside. it is a bit of a bother to hang your ass far enough back not to make it an issue, and there is pants holding your legs together some place.

The issue of hitting yourself on occasion along with the horrible sensation of something tickling you down there, and i dont give a damn if it only grass, leaves me an indoor person. Even if a bucket was put out there i would be much more comfortable if someone could put a toilet seat on it ....please!
Jacinta Wilkins-Blodgett


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I grew up peeing outside. At the community gardens I'd run off to the fields and go usually using grass to wipe if I didn't have a paper towel in my pocket. On long car rides dad would find an area I could be more secluded and my brother would go up at the car and again I'd run with paper towel in hand. I won't deny it, I started to develop "external urination member" envy (I don't know how people would respond to my calling it what it is). So at the tender age of 9 I perfected my peeing while standing up method, but I was never comfortable enough to do it outside, just in the toilet. I felt too exposed even in the middle of no where.
I've found greenery to be the best to wipe with, last years oak leaves hold up the best if nothing green is available, but they're a bit scratchy and nothing is as absorbent as a bit of tissue. As an adult, I have found myself less likely to go on the side of the road and my house is a bit too exposed, but in the woods I don't hesitate. I do carry tissues with me now though and I dig a hole with my heel and drop the tissue in and cover it. I haven't peed standing over a toilet in more than 15 years but I do know my urine stream is more angled than it used to be and I am a very messy urinator even on the toilet so I don't like going without tissues anymore. This is a great thread. I can't wait to use my skirt as a privacy screen and I never even knew there was anything but cloth alternatives to pads and tampons; I'm so glad that people weren't too shy to bring this up.
Fm Stark


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Great Thread PW, only a guy yada, yada,.........With the issues of health in the forefront, the thought process of using even composted human fecal matter for other than ornamental's IMHO, is an "outbreak" waiting to happen!!! some of us without even knowing may be afflicted or may have been prescribed a scrip that could be devastating to your/our local and or global food chain, lets not forget what a visitor might inadvertently deposit,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urine sub heading Agriculture........""Conversely, concentrations of heavy metals such as lead, mercury, and cadmium, commonly found in solid human waste, are much lower in urine (though not low enough to qualify for use in organic agriculture under current EU rules)"", On that note Urea appears to be safe as long as the "hopefully clean" source is known. Guess one could set up a pasteurization process if unsure> another use for a rocket stove?

To the Lady repliers a most enlightening discussion, One factor that has not been addressed the "R" word, Women unfortunately are more at risk, hence the need for privacy during the intimate act, On the lighter side i can see why, based solely on the comments concerning "four legged" dogs being around, Cant keep us dogs away, talk about choking on some tea!

regards Stark
Jacinta Wilkins-Blodgett


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Dear Fm Stark, please elaborate on this "R" word of which you speak. I hope I'm not the only one out there who is drawing a blank, but even so, and inquiring mind want to know.
Fm Stark wrote: One factor that has not been addressed the "R" word, Women unfortunately are more at risk, hence the need for privacy during the intimate act

regards Stark
Fm Stark


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IMHO the most despicable act a human can do onto another next to genocide and that is Rape
 
 
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