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The bootcamp runs all year, including the winter months.

https://permies.com/t/149839/bootcamp-winter
https://permies.com/w/190855/2022-2023-half-assed-holidays

 
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Preston Gorman wrote:Will there be any opportunity to learn permaculture during the winter months?  or is it completely dead up there?  I'm likely going to have some extended time off of work around December - possibly as much as a month, and was thinking about coming up there for either bootcamp or sepper program and wanted to know if it would be worth my while, or if it would be better to wait till summer - although there's no gaurantee I'll have enough time off work in summer to come.  my email is prestongorman10@gmail.com if someone wants to message me there.



Hi Preston!

Yes!  The bootcamp is alive and kicking during the winter months.  You also get to experience the rocket mass heaters and passive greenhouse in all their glory when its cold out.

Another great part of the bootcamp in winter is the half-assed holidays!  Check out this thread: https://permies.com/t/149839/bootcamp-winter

The sepper program is great for people who aren't sure if they are ready for a deep dive into the bootcamp.  As a sepper you don't have to commit to the 40 hours work week as the boots do.  You are a guest!!  Click Here for more info on the sepper program: https://permies.com/wiki/sepper

And here for a breakdown of the difference between being a boot and a sepper:  https://permies.com/t/146557/permaculture-projects/sepper-program-permaculture-bootcamp-experience

Either option is great, any time of the year!  I hope you get a chance to experience both the summer and winter sometime!


Sign up for the bootcamp HERE
 
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I'm considering being a boot next January, some info I'm looking for isn't in the FAQ.

1) Internet:
Maybe just as a weekend thing or maybe I'll do daily BRK vlogs for YouTube, but...

I have a background in digital content creation. If I decide I want to create/edit videos & animations (and maintain my github repos when needed) while I'm there what resources are available, would I need to hike a mile to access the internet or get one of Tesla's fancypants Starlink things and power it myself? Could I stash a workstation PC someplace safe to use on occasion or would It be best to lug around a laptop?

2) Laundry:
How is this handled? Do boots pay quarters, use the bucket and plunger method, or something else?

3) Water access:
For deep-roots boots do they need to haul water to their plot, or are their existing streams, or wells, or is everyone just drinking rainwater?

I'm all for low-tech but want to know what compromises I'll have to make so I could plan ahead.
 
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T Simpson wrote:I'm considering being a boot next January, some info I'm looking for isn't in the FAQ.

1) Internet:
Maybe just as a weekend thing or maybe I'll do daily BRK vlogs for YouTube, but...

I have a background in digital content creation. If I decide I want to create/edit videos & animations (and maintain my github repos when needed) while I'm there what resources are available, would I need to hike a mile to access the internet or get one of Tesla's fancypants Starlink things and power it myself? Could I stash a workstation PC someplace safe to use on occasion or would It be best to lug around a laptop?


Internet is available at the library at basecamp. If you want it at your deeproots plot, you would need to supply your own cell hotspot (if your plot has cell coverage)  or something like Starlink.

T Simpson wrote:
2) Laundry:
How is this handled? Do boots pay quarters, use the bucket and plunger method, or something else?


Boots have access to do laundry in the Fisher Price House.

T Simpson wrote:
3) Water access:
For deep-roots boots do they need to haul water to their plot, or are their existing streams, or wells, or is everyone just drinking rainwater?


There is now a well at the lab, a more specific answer will depend on where the plot is.
 
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I'm looking for a job. I have 25 years of organic, biodynamic and permaculture  agricultural experience as well as 20 years of homesteading experience
 
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Erin Greenberg wrote:I'm looking for a job. I have 25 years of organic, biodynamic and permaculture  agricultural experience as well as 20 years of homesteading experience


Sign-up for the Bootcamp -- HERE!!
 
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Paul just informed me that I'm locked in for next January. Hopefully, some of my construction experience from doing foreign aid work will be applicable.

I'm going to come out geared for entertaining the idea of working toward a long-term stay, bushcraft tools, film equipment, canvas tent, e-bike + wagon. no car. Even if I just end up in a bunk and stay for a short time I'll be equipped to be more bushcrafty.

I rarely ever hunt but..

Would I need a Montana license to bow hunt on Paul's land or just on the national parkland? There seems to be a bit more red tape than here in Washington (surprisingly).

Has there ever been a problem with large predators, should I bother with bear spray?
 
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T Simpson wrote:Would I need a Montana license to bow hunt on Paul's land or just on the national parkland? There seems to be a bit more red tape than here in Washington (surprisingly).


To get an out-of-state hunting license/tags is expensive. I would suggest getting Montana license before getting an hunting license.

T Simpson wrote:Has there ever been a problem with large predators, should I bother with bear spray?


We haven't had problems recently. Paul has stories of bears getting into RVs.

We have seen evidence of bears and other large predators this year. One good thing about January, bears will be hibernating :D
 
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Would I be miserable here as an anxiety ridden introvert that doesn't cause any drama and just likes to focus on tasks?
 
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Jeff Steez wrote:Would I be miserable here as an anxiety ridden introvert that doesn't cause any drama and just likes to focus on tasks?



About 90% of the time, people come here and everything is smooth.

Once in a long while somebody has come here and it has been challenging for us.  And as we try to figure out what to do, sometimes we say "we do not have what this person requires."

You ask about "miserable" because "anxiety ridden introvert".  I am not a mental health expert, so I have no idea.  The part of "doesn't cause any drama and just likes to focus on tasks?" sounds nice.  

I think the smart thing to do is to come out for a week and see how it goes.
 
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I can't help but notice after browsing through the BRKs etc. that there seems to be a surplus of cats at Wheaton labs. I didn't consider this before I signed up.

I'm allergic, sometimes I'm fine other times I sneeze until my nose bleeds. How screwed am I?

Natural solutions:
-Cats can have the allergenic compound in their saliva reduced by dietary changes.
-I could use stinging nettle to boost my antihistamines.
-Excessive cleaning & avoidance.

Cat allergies are 1/5 people, has anyone else found a way to manage it, or are there not as many cats as I think?
 
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All the cats are outside - does that help?
 
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"that there seems to be a surplus of cats"
I don't believe that's accurate.  It depends on how many you think is reasonable. They provide an extremely effective rodent deterent that survives better with local predators.

We own 2 cats; when we went to Wheaton Labs, we saw several cats (a couple of kittens who were very playful, a couple who kept a far distance).  No cat food - my son managed to catch a grasshopper and feed if to a kitten.  One cat slept in his tent one day.  Cats love him.  

If your allergies prevent you from visiting people who have cats, the Boot's Lodge won't work for you but there are other ways to stay - tent, build your own place, or SEPPER.  

 
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I'm planning to stay in a tent, if all the cats are mostly outside then I should be fine. It is a hard thing to gauge. Sometimes I have no problem around cats.

At first, I was in YOLO mode but now I'm realizing I'm coming from a coastal semi-desert environment so I'm going down the checklist to make sure I'm Montana-proof.

Perhaps it would be wise to fly out this winter as a SEPPer to meet everyone & test my gear and decide if I want to return for/transition to boot camp in spring.

 
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T Simpson, you can also start as a SEPPer for a month to get a feel for it. (Prices for renting as a SEPPer are here: https://permies.com/wiki/sepper) If you want to do another month (or more) as a SEPPer, you totally can! From what I understand, once you're there as a SEPPer, the transition is pretty seamless to being in Bootcamp. You don't even need to pay the $100 waitlist fee.

The waitlist fee is mostly there because of all the coordinating that's done to get people set up. A lot of people require a ton of work on the part of Paul's assistants and the Boots to set up when they'll come...and then they never show. BUT! Once you've come (for an event, or as a SEPPer, or a Boot), all that works been done and it doesn't need to be done again, so you don't need to pay the fee.

I think starting as a SEPPer is a great way to go!
 
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Starting as a sepper is always the best.  You can name your own schedule for arriving and you can jump into the bootcamp as your are comfortable.
 
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For cat allergies, I'm mildly allergic and haven't been having any problems with the cats here (I've been at Wheaton Labs for a bit over a month). They almost always stay outside the way they are supposed to (although occasionally one will sneak into a building and be removed quickly), so there are very few allergens indoors. I've also picked them up outside without it triggering any reaction for me. I don't know if this is related to the type of food they are given, or if they just happen not to trigger my particular allergies at that level of exposure. If my allergies were a bit worse I could ignore them outdoors and they would pretty much leave me alone. So it's quite possible that you won't have any problems when you are here!
 
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the next few bootcamp arrival dates

december 4
january 15
february 5
february 26
march 19
april 9



 
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