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Reuse Water From a Shower - PEP BB greywillow.sand.showerwater

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This is a badge bit (BB) that is part of the PEP curriculum.  Completing this BB is part of getting the sand badge in Greywater and Willow Feeders.

In this Badge Bit you will reuse water from a poo-less shower to flush a toilet or water something.



Here are some related threads on going poo-less and taking showers to save water
 - Going Poo-less: No Soap/Shampoo in the Shower
 - Podcast 240 - Poo-less: Shampoo and Soap-less
 - Skiddable Shower at Wheaton Labs
 - Low Water Showers
 - Off Grid Shower

Here are some threads on the larger context of willow feeders and poop beasts:
 - Tree Bog vs Dry Outhouse
 - The First Willow Feeder
 - Poop Beasts

Here are a couple about being poo-less and showering in a way that water is saved in a bucket



To complete this BB, the minimum requirements are:
  place a bucket in your shower to collect some of the water as you (and others) shower
     - it might only collect 10% to 20% of the water, and that's okay for this BB
     - it might take a few days to get enough water for this BB
  use a bucket of water from a shower
     - to flush a toilet, or to water something outside
     - at least three gallons
     - from pooless showers only!
 
To show you've completed this Badge Bit, you must show proof of the following (as pictures or a video < 2 mins):
  - the water from your shower that's obviously poo-less and at least three gallons of water
      - pooless means no soap or shampoo
  - giving the water to something outside or to flush a toilet
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Full bucket after my cool shower today, someone had left it partly full. Been poo-less about a month now and feeling good! I watered the willows across the path from the willow bank and showers.
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I hereby certify this BB as complete!

 
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Thanks Dave!
 
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I don't use funny shower products just homemade soap bar and Liggets shampoo bar, which is also just soap on my hair once a week, so my showers are short and I have low flow shower heads

I was pleasantly surprised on how little water had to run before it ran hot, first 2
bucket picture. After capturing that water I put the bucket where I thought it would get the most splash off of me.  I take short showers so you can see the amount collected.

I left it upstairs in the bathroom until this morning when I needed to flush, this was easier than carrying it all the way outside.
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I have been summoned because the staff are not sure about this one.  

Debi,

My guess is that what you are saying is:

  A: that you ran the water directly into the bucket while waiting for the water to get warm.  

  B: And then you left the bucket in your shower while you showered

  C: you used soap in the shower

A+B is good.

C is not allowed for this BB.

Further, the bucket looks like a five gallon bucket. So the amount of water in the bucket would need to be more than half full to meet the 3-gallon requirement.

 
 
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- a picture of the water from your shower that's obviously poo-less and at least three gallons of water


- a picture of you giving the water to something outside or to flush a toilet


Staff note (paul wheaton) :

I certify this BB is complete! (the delay in certification was some debate over whether this was, actually, 3 gallons)

 
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Some bathwater. Shampoo? No. Ducks? Yes.

This siphon kinda...sucks.

Ikea says this plastic buddy is 41 oz. My measurements came to 6 cups, or 3 pints.
 
1 Gallon = 8 Pints :: 3 Gallons = 24 Pints :: 24 Pints = 8 3-Pint-Red Watering Cans
One                                                Two
 
Three                                              Four
 
Five                                                Six
 
Seven                                             Eight
 
and, for good measure, so it's blatantly more than 3 gallons:
Nine                                                Ten
 
Eleven                                             Twelve
 
Thirteen                                          Fourteen
 
I put all the water on the plants outside. I just ran out of obviously-different-looking-places to photograph.
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I certify this BB complete!

 
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So this is a BB I can do too!
I am 'poo-less' for many years. Don't use any shampoo, soap, deo or whatsoever for my own hair and body. I have some soap in the house for guests who want to use it.

You see? No shampoo or soap here. There's toothpaste of Urtekram, peroxide and a stainless steel thing resembling a bar of soap.


Before the water is hot for the shower takes some time. That water goes in the bucket.


Then I had a shower and the bucket was totally full. This is a 20 liter bucket, so its over 3 gallons.


To take the water to the plants I use the watering can. I dip it in the bucket and the water flows into it.


Watering some plants


Watering some more plants
And then there was more, but I didn't make a photo. All of the rest of the water in the bucket went into the micro-pond (frog pond)


Buckets and watering can waiting for the next water.
Is there a BB for catching water from the sink in a bucket?
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I certify this BB is Complete! Enjoy your Greywater air badge!

 
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pic of my pooless shower water almost fill 5 gallon bucket and watering my grape vines its warming up here in the southern hemisphere and they need to leaf out so they can shade the house
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I took a poo-less shower and flushed a toilet with the drippings. I'm confident this is 3 gallons out of a 5 gal bucket, but if there is a concern I'll add another post the next time I shower.
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I certify this BB complete!

 
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So I used rainwater to wash my hair (with bicarbonate of soda, apple scrap vinegar and camomile) and collected the used water in a garden trug. I'm hoping that using rainwater will be softer than the hard tap water we have here.



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Keep going! (remember, the requirement is three gallons)

 
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Here are two more lots of reusing greywater, from washing my hair and having a quick shower. The hair washing was about 5 litres and the shower was a bit more so together with the last lot of hair washing I think I've got to 3 gallons - that's a lot of water.

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I have asphalt for a yard, so had to go with the toilet option.
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About 3 and a half gallons
About 3 and a half gallons
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Using the water to flush
Using the water to flush
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Can someone tell me what extra I need to do to get this badge bit? Thanks
 
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It looks like you were approved a while ago.  Congrats!  The approval is on your second batch of photos.
 
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Hey jen, It is hard to tell how much water is in there. Could you tell us how much that purple floppy bucket holds please?

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3.5 gallons

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Quick question, could I complete this by using my bathwater to wash my clothes in the washer? Absolutely no soap or products go in the bath. In Japan it is usual to take a very quick shower to clean your body. (Turn off the water whilst lathering up) then get into the bath. The whole family uses the same bath water one after another (you only get in once you are clean). After you all have soaked in the bath, you then use the water to wash your clothes. I use a pump to transfer the bathwater to my washer.

If it wouldn't qualify here, is there somewhere else it would?

(I clicked submit rather than certify but somehow it still shows up like I want to certify something, which I don't. Sorry!)
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I think that sounds like it hits the spirit of this BB so I'd approve it.
 
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Mike Haasl wrote:I think that sounds like it hits the spirit of this BB so I'd approve it.



Great! That's tomorrow's BB sorted then! :) (trying to do one or two a day :))

I won't be able to show buckets of water though so i:'all have to do a before the pump goes in the bath and after of that is okay? :)
 
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So as I'm posting this, I realise that a bath holds a LOT of water. It is for 4 people to use but considering we all get a very quick shower too before getting in, it probably is very very wasteful. However its a cultural thing here and something that is nonnegotiable to my husband and many other Japanese so I do the best I can. I have got him to agree to baths every other day in winter which is a big win! No products at all go into the bath. No soap, nothing.

Unfortunately (or fortunately) my washer is efficient and doesn't use much so doesn't make much of a dent in the amount of water in the bath (and our bath is actually one that was designed to hold less water because of the added seat inside. All baths are deep, filled to the top and usually hold 210L of water. Ours is 140L.

Of course this doesn't fit the description at all so i'll leave it up to your discretion.
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Bathwater after family has had a bath
Bathwater after family has had a bath
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Checking we are making enough solar to run the washer, plenty!
Checking we are making enough solar to run the washer, plenty!
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Hose lives here
Hose lives here
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Hose attached to washer and placed in bath water
Hose attached to washer and placed in bath water
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Setting washer to use bathwater
Setting washer to use bathwater
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Load of laundry
Load of laundry
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Bathwater and laundry soap about to be mixed and added
Bathwater and laundry soap about to be mixed and added
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Water reduced, it is hard to see but you can compare how far its gone down by comparing where i'm pointing to
Water reduced, it is hard to see but you can compare how far its gone down by comparing where i'm pointing to
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Load finished
Load finished
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Laundry hung up to dry in the sun!
Laundry hung up to dry in the sun!
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Solar used whilst washer is on.
Solar used whilst washer is on.
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Note: great alternative use for the water!

 
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Here is my submission for the Greywater & Willow Feeder - Sand - Use Water from a Shower BB.

A little context: my sister's water comes from a community well and a few days ago we were informed that they would be shutting the water off for about six hours for repairs.  I decided it was a great time to tackle this BB.  I am about 75% down the path of poo-less-ness and decided to remove the last remaining products for a few days. There are two buckets in the shower: one was collected per the instructions of this BB and the second was filled as insurance.  The water was turned off a bit later than advertised but has not been turned back on yet (almost 20 hours)  and I expect the second bucket to be empty soon.  Also, I decided to refill the tank after flushing since I think the design of the toilet is more efficient than pouring water in the bowl.

To document the completion of the BB, I have provided a 2-minute video of me filling the toilet tank from collected shower water that's poo-less and at least three gallons of water (these are 4-gallon buckets).  I was able to fill the toilet tank twice with one bucket so there are some stills after/in the video showing the use of more than 3 gallons.


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I am not in this for the badge bit, but South Africa is a water scarce country and even when the water storage dams are full (as they are at present due to unprecedentedly persistent and heavy rains) water restrictions remain in force.  My wife and I - pensioners thus cost conscious - have a large basin in our shower in which we stand, thus collecting as much water as possible.  Soap, shampoo etc. doesn't matter, the collected water either used directly in the toilet bowl or is kept in a large 25 litre drum for future use.  Have done so now for several years.  Works well.  Kind regards to everyone.    North Riding, Randburg, Johannesburg.
 
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These pics were taken in December but I forgot to post them! Been pooless since.
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5 gallon bucket of water from pooless showers
5 gallon bucket of water from pooless showers
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Flushing the toilet
Flushing the toilet
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The plants on our balcony benefited from our shower water.
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Two 10 L buckets full of water from our pooless and soapless showers - about 4.4 gallons of water total
Two 10 L buckets full of water from our pooless and soapless showers - about 4.4 gallons of water total
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Lavander I grew from a cutting of a plant I found growing around a street tree in downtown Madrid, enjoying a drink
Lavander I grew from a cutting of a plant I found growing around a street tree in downtown Madrid, enjoying a drink
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Wild thyme I found in an abandoned lot and transplanted, getting some nourishment
Wild thyme I found in an abandoned lot and transplanted, getting some nourishment
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watered my walnut trees with shower water. I use goats milk soap and no shampoo
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Can you give me some additional advice then? I practice Brazilian Jiu Jitsu every day and if I don't use soap I will get ringworm which can be deadly.
 
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