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This aspect has a strong focus on reassuring Otis that you will not simply cash out what you inherit - even when times get tough.  

Otis is looking for somebody who will have a relationship with this land, all day, 365 days a year.   Not somebody that leaves for 40 hours a week.  Nor somebody that leaves for even one day a week for a job (or managing a booth at the farmer’s market).  A dedicated, on-site relationship with the land.  

Demonstrate the ability to be financially self-sufficient without leaving the land.

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Purpose: show Otis that you will arrive with some income and different income skills
develop a possible residual income stream that brings in at least $5 per year
perform some sort of labor over the internet and get paid at least $50

do two of the following: (must include a tip of the hat to permaculture values)
     - sell "goods" (something you made, grew, upcycled or foraged) for a total of at least $20
     - sell your permaculture labor off-site for at least $50
     - get paid for an on-homestead service (cottage industry) for at least $50.


straw badge
Purpose: show Otis that you will arrive with a diverse income and broader income skills

develop residual income streams that brings in at least $20 per month
     - must bring in at least $10 before this BB is complete
     - must be at least 2 different streams
perform some sort of labor over the internet and get paid at least $500

do two of the following: (must include a tip of the hat to permaculture values)
     - sell "goods" (something you made, grew, upcycled or foraged) for a total of at least $200
     - sell your permaculture labor off-site for at least $500
     - get paid for an on-homestead service (cottage industry) for at least $500. Examples include:
           - renting out a cabin, tent site, etc.
           - sewing, truck repair, accounting, etc.
           - massage, counseling, etc.
           - classes, workshops, etc.


wood badge
Purpose: show Otis that you will arrive with a substantial income and substantial income skills - all without Mr. Slappy

residual income minimum of $600 per month
     - at least 4 different residual income streams

then do one of these strategies :
     - strategy A: more residual income streams: extra $600 per month
           - at least 4 additional different streams
     - strategy B: (Sepp Holzer lite): total $5,000. this income is from:
           - on-site Consultation (people coming to experience the master’s property) (including on-site stays and meals)
           - on-site Tours
     - strategy C: total $20,000. Includes on or off-site methods. Not a job. (must include a very strong correlation to permaculture values). some examples:
           - raise and sell food
           - sell lumber cut from the land & milled on-site
           - nursery
           - sell goods
           - off-site permaculture labor
           - glamping
           - events
           - strategy b stuff
           - cottage industry stuff


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Purpose: show that Otis’s land will thrive financially under your care and/or to show you can financially carry a community - all without Mr. Slappy

residual income minimum of $2,000 per month
     - at least 6 different reliable sources

then do one of these strategies:
     - strategy A: huge residual income stream: extra $2,000 per month
           - at least 6 additional different reliable sources
     - strategy B (Sepp Holzer): total $30,000. this income is from:
           - on-site Consultation (people coming to experience the master’s property) (including on-site stays and meals)
           - on-site Tours
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Is there a pathway to certify completion of these?  I have residual income coming from musical recordings that I have produced and distributed over the internet.  
 
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I created two of the badges.  I don't know how to create the other two.

sell your permaculture labor for at least $100  



Would that include teaching?
How would I prove that I taught someone how to sort, wash and card wool using non-chemical means?


perform some sort of labor over the internet and get paid at least $100



I need help figuring out how to do this?  I'm not sure what skills I have that someone would pay money  for online.  
 
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Something I'm thinking of doing is a quickstarter.  It's like a low-pressure Kickstarter that has an element of fun.  Something small.  It's good for getting to know Kickstarter.


London-based designer Oscar Lhermitte came up with the idea for Quickstarter. He’s no stranger to big projects (like the time he literally promised people the Moon). But he also loves doing small ones “that are inherently beautiful because they are simple and manageable.”

Oscar created some rules for Quickstarter (which you can follow or adapt to meet your needs). Read them below, then start thinking about what you’d like to create. But don’t think too long—make it quick!


Rule #1

Plan it in three months or less.

Rule #2

Keep the campaign under 20 days.

Rule #3

The funding goal should be under $1,000.

Rule #4

Offer rewards under $50.

Rule #5

Shoot the video in one day.

Rule #6

No PR or media outreach (unless contacted).

Rule #7

No paid ads on social media.

Rule #8

No stretch goals.

Rule #9

Include "Quickstarter" in your campaign name

 
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sell your permaculture labor for at least $100  



What does permaculture labour look like?
 
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r ranson wrote:
How would I prove that I taught someone how to sort, wash and card wool using non-chemical means?



Screenshot of the course + pic of the students.

 
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r ranson wrote:

sell your permaculture labor for at least $100  



What does permaculture labour look like?



Show pics of the site where you might be working.   Show pics of you working.   Show a pic of the check or getting handed cash or whatever.  

As for what qualifies as permaculture work - I suppose that would need to be in the description of the BB post.   My guess that most of it will be something involving a shovel or sweat or chop-n-drop or something.  

I hope that the thread for the BB fills with dozens of examples.

 
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perform some sort of labor over the internet and get paid at least $100



This one does not have the permaculture restriction.  So it can be all sorts of things.  Maybe something at upwork.com.  
 
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r ranson wrote:
How would I prove that I taught someone how to sort, wash and card wool using non-chemical means?



Screenshot of the course + pic of the students.



I have the lesson plan/handout from the course and pictures of the activities.  No pictures of people.  

drat, so I can't use that.  Need to brainstorm something I can do.  

Show pics of the site where you might be working.   Show pics of you working.   Show a pic of the check or getting handed cash or whatever.  

As for what qualifies as permaculture work - I suppose that would need to be in the description of the BB post.   My guess that most of it will be something involving a shovel or sweat or chop-n-drop or something.  

I hope that the thread for the BB fills with dozens of examples.  



You're thinking of outside, physical work is 'permauclture work'?
 
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r ranson wrote:

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r ranson wrote:
How would I prove that I taught someone how to sort, wash and card wool using non-chemical means?



Screenshot of the course + pic of the students.



I have the lesson plan/handout from the course and pictures of the activities.  No pictures of people.  

drat, so I can't use that.  Need to brainstorm something I can do.



You just need something that proves the coin.  


Show pics of the site where you might be working.   Show pics of you working.   Show a pic of the check or getting handed cash or whatever.  

As for what qualifies as permaculture work - I suppose that would need to be in the description of the BB post.   My guess that most of it will be something involving a shovel or sweat or chop-n-drop or something.  

I hope that the thread for the BB fills with dozens of examples.  



You're thinking of outside, physical work is 'permauclture work'?



I do think there needs to be a permaculture element to it.  

If somebody is getting paid to put down asphalt, that doesn't seem like permaculture to me.   If somebody is getting paid to spray an herbicide, that doesn't seem like permaculture to me.



 
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Here's something else I did.  I participated in a talk about growing flax sustainably at one of the local guilds: https://dcwsweavers.blogspot.com/2019/01/victoria-flax-to-linen.html

I don't know if that counts as "permaculture work", but I feel it had a positive effect on the world.  The audience was already knowledgeable about textiles, they didn't know that there was a textile we could grow locally without irrigation or chemicals.  Several of them have planted gardens from that talk except for one who was inspired to rescue her stinging nettle patch from becoming garden.  We also talked a lot about not using the clothes dryer.  
 
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r ranson wrote:Here's something else I did.  I participated in a talk about growing flax sustainably at one of the local guilds



Did you get paid?
 
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r ranson wrote:Here's something else I did.  I participated in a talk about growing flax sustainably at one of the local guilds



Did you get paid?



yep.  But in Canadian
 
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r ranson wrote:

paul wheaton wrote:

r ranson wrote:Here's something else I did.  I participated in a talk about growing flax sustainably at one of the local guilds



Did you get paid?



yep.  But in Canadian



Rather than create a run-down of amounts in every known currency, I think I'm gonna stick to USD.

 
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Rather than create a run-down of amounts in every known currency, I think I'm gonna stick to USD.



Fair enough.  That will make things easier in general.  

That's about $130 CAD.  I'll see if I can find something else that will work.  Maybe the wool washing class which was over the minimum.  I'll see if I can dig out a copy of the invoice.
 
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perform some sort of labor over the internet and get paid at least $100  



Another question:  Can this be a combination of things to make a total of $100?  Maybe one person paid $25, another person paid $80 for different tasks?  


A thought about trade: I wrote some articles for a magazine which were published in print and online - but I got paid in goods instead of cash.  I think it would be easier if this BB was just monies.  
 
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r ranson wrote:

perform some sort of labor over the internet and get paid at least $100  



Another question:  Can this be a combination of things to make a total of $100?  Maybe one person paid $25, another person paid $80 for different tasks?  



Yes.

The commerce badge is has a lot of the otis element to it.   I wish to impress upon otis that if a pep4 certified person comes to his land, that person won't go broke and end up selling the land.  To get to that level of income, a PEP1 person has to start by showing a small income.  And for the latter badges, bring in more coin.  

So if Otis wills his land to somebody, and that somebody has $1000 per month coming in already - from passive income streams.   Plus has demonstrated that in a pinch, that person can pop out to the internet and harvest another $1000 whenever it is needed - then that person will not be wholly dependent on the whims of the local economy.  Plus, it is work.   I think Otis would be impressed by work that leads to income rather than a trust fund.


A thought about trade: I wrote some articles for a magazine which were published in print and online - but I got paid in goods instead of cash.  I think it would be easier if this BB was just monies.  



Yes.  This BB has to be strictly coin.  
 
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Thanks Paul!

I'm excited to be so close to finished.

I'm trying to think of what I've done in the past that counts as online labour.  Nothing springs to mind immediately, so I started a thread brainstorming what I could do: https://permies.com/t/115274/pay

I'm also hunting through the Agile Labour forum for inspiration.  There's a lot of good stuff in there.  
 
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Commerce - “permaculture labour” does that include selling value added products? I’m thinking fruit into jams to sell, or selling cuttings and plants...

It seems oldly specific if “permaculture labour” amounts to either teaching courses, or designing for others. Permies get accused from time to time of being like a pyramid scheme. Do a PDC, then make money running PDCs for others... this seems to be feeding that.
 
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Michael Cox wrote:Commerce - “permaculture labour” does that include selling value added products? I’m thinking fruit into jams to sell, or selling cuttings and plants...



For the sand badge, there are four BBs.  Selling jams and plants falls under the "goods" badge.

For "permaculture labor" it must be a monies for a service.


It seems oldly specific if “permaculture labour” amounts to either teaching courses, or designing for others.



Nope.  There is a long list of what it possibly can be.   It is not limited to those two things.

Permies get accused from time to time of being like a pyramid scheme. Do a PDC, then make money running PDCs for others... this seems to be feeding that.



The dumbfucks that say "pyramid scheme" are referring to all universities, colleges, schools and PDCs.   They appear to think that paying to learn anything so that you might get paid to teach that thing is a pyramid scheme.   I'm glad that they do this, so it becomes immediately clear that they are dumbfucks and, therefore, can be thoroughly ignored.



 
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Nicole Alderman wrote:Did you bring in any kickback funds for the kickstarter? I'm thinking that might count as "online work"?



That would be "goods".  And she has already counted it as residual income (i think).

"perform some sort of labor over the internet" would be a service.
 
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Not from her kickstarter, but from sharing a kickback link for your kickstarter. By sharing the link and someone buys through it, the person who shared it is, in effect, getting paid by you for the work of spreading your kickstarter. At least, that's what I'm thinking. The person sharing your link is doing you a service, right, by brining in money for the kickstarter?
 
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Nicole Alderman wrote:Not from her kickstarter, but from sharing a kickback link for your kickstarter. By sharing the link and someone buys through it, the person who shared it is, in effect, getting paid by you for the work of spreading your kickstarter. At least, that's what I'm thinking. The person sharing your link is doing you a service, right, by brining in money for the kickstarter?



Hmmm ...

I suppose that the key is to demonstrate to otis "I can go to the internet and get money whenever i want."  At a sand badge level, this is something that is performed once or twice with a total income of at least $100.   Later badges will be for larger sums.  The larger the sum, the clearer it is that this person can do the work and harvest the coin.

So ...   I'm going to say "yes."   The kickstarter kickback stuff, or any one time affiliate stuff counts.  


 
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Permies get accused from time to time of being like a pyramid scheme. Do a PDC, then make money running PDCs for others... this seems to be feeding that.



The dumbfucks that say "pyramid scheme" are referring to all universities, colleges, schools and PDCs.   They appear to think that paying to learn anything so that you might get paid to teach that thing is a pyramid scheme.   I'm glad that they do this, so it becomes immediately clear that they are dumbfucks and, therefore, can be thoroughly ignored.



It would be a pyramid scheme if you could only earn these badges through paying money to acredited experts.  Like a university!

PEP is free.  You just have to do the work.  That's completely different.

(of course, if you want to do less work figuring out things for yourself, you can pay someone to teach you - but you still have to do the work)

 
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Nicole Alderman wrote:Did you bring in any kickback funds for the kickstarter? I'm thinking that might count as "online work"?



That would be "goods".  And she has already counted it as residual income (i think).

"perform some sort of labor over the internet" would be a service.



I didn't earn much for my kickback.  I was wondering if it would be a good or a labour.

I think in this context, labour is defined as wage work or piece work; a set amount is agreed beforehand based on the time or job to be done.  

edit: ops I didn't see this.

So ...   I'm going to say "yes."   The kickstarter kickback stuff, or any one time affiliate stuff counts.    



wohoo.  This helps.  
 
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I'm hoping my Kickstarter will count towards one of the future badges.  
 
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Which BB for earning money with photography?  Something like Shutterstock?
 
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r ranson wrote:Which BB for earning money with photography?  Something like Shutterstock?



That would be residual (passive).  Although you could call it "goods" if you wanted.

 
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brainstorming the online labour BB

what would someone pay me for? https://permies.com/t/115274/pay
agile work forum https://permies.com/f/199/agile-work
a growing list of agile work https://permies.com/wiki/116009/big-list-AGILE-work-income


 
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Is there a BB thread for the internet-money and I'm just missing it?

If it doesn't exist, is that something I can jump in and make? (I can follow the template from the other bb threads pretty easily, I think).

Thanks!
 
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Ash Jackson wrote:Is there a BB thread for the internet-money and I'm just missing it?

If it doesn't exist, is that something I can jump in and make? (I can follow the template from the other bb threads pretty easily, I think).

Thanks!



If it's not linked up above, than it probably doesn't exist! I say go ahead and make it! Paul will then come by and fine tune anything that he wants fine-tuned (he does that to all of them), but having it made makes it SO MUCH EASIER for him, and it's a great way to earn some apples--and often PIE, too!
 
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Cool! I will do so. Thanks, Nicole!

It helps knowing that doing so makes things easier and not harder for y'all.
 
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Ok, it's here: https://permies.com/t/118748/PEP-BB-Commerce-Sand-Internet

I think I got everything right. Thanks!

Nope. I somehow got it in the wiki sub, but not also in the PEP sub? Not sure what I did wrong.

Let me know if I need to delete it and try again.
 
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Would some kind of bookkeeping be an appropriate straw-level BB?
 
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Ash Jackson wrote:Would some kind of bookkeeping be an appropriate straw-level BB?



What would be the pictures?  

I think that the latter badges are going to be powerfully focused on more of the same.  

I think one of the primary things I want from the commerce badges is to assure Otis that this person isn't gonna lose the farm.  They can make farm income when needed, and internet income, and will probably arrive with an income stream (passive) so that they could work for years without needing cash flow.




 
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What would be the pictures?  



I was thinking a pic of a spreadsheet showing that a person tracked farm or project expenses and income, and can keep a thing making money despite expenses.

(e.g. Yes the well only brings 3/4 gpm, no the budget can't support fixing it right now, so we're not). And yes, I see that "bookkeeping" per se doesn't actually prove, document, or teach the skill in the example.

I think I saw in a different thread about budgeting or frugality, so maybe it's already covered elsewhere?

paul wheaton wrote:I think that the latter badges are going to be powerfully focused on more of the same.  

I think one of the primary things I want from the commerce badges is to assure Otis that this person isn't gonna lose the farm.  They can make farm income when needed, and internet income, and will probably arrive with an income stream (passive) so that they could work for years without needing cash flow.



I absolutely hear you about making a compelling, definitive case that Otis is handing things over to an established person who's financially equipped and independently stable. I've never met an Otis, so I must defer regarding what they might find compelling.
 
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Having something like a budget that shows the person knows how to spend less than they earn seems good... except, I wouldn't want to share that kind of personal information online.  

Maybe it could be part of a kickstarter/quickstarter badge where one has to show their budget details?  
 
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Ok, taking another swing;

What if Straw included another residual income stream that was fundamentally different than that used for Sand?

(i.e. Diversification of income sources)
 
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I have a feeling straw might be one of those "complete six six from the Jacob List, three duplicates allowed" with the list having a bunch of different money-making things, like residual income, cottage industry, permaculture labor, kickstarter, online work, etc.
 
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