Nicole Alderman wrote:
Silas Rempel wrote:Darren Doherty has his name twice near the top of the list. in case it was an accident
Thank you! I'd compiled a few lists together, and hadn't realized where there was overlap.
Michael Littlejohn wrote:http://fortrockfarms.com/45-simple-living-the-final-step/
Fort Rock farms is in Arizona and an interesting website. You might try to network with them. Link above. Best...M
Paula Frazier wrote:
Silas Rempel wrote:So iam fairly new to permaculture and am iam learning a lot here, thank you.(kind of ironically I learned of permaculture while driving a tractor and listening to audiobooks on a 3,000 conventional row crop farm:) so iam 20 and live at home. And I want to start a permaculture farmstead. Looking at land prices makes you consider selling a kidney or bank robbery. Since bank robbery is illegal if you get Caught I've had to look for cheaper land. Then I found the southwest. $500 an acre all day long. Then I looked at what permaculture has done in these dry almost barren Environments. And iam amazed! The work of Allen Savory, Geoff Lawton and others. So now I ask for your wisdom. Those of you who practice permaculture in dry environments, those of you who have used Allen Savory's methods with results. And just anyone with valuable wisdom that I could possibly benefit from! And any good books to read on dry climate permaculture/regenerative agriculture. Thanks
To clarify I have no experience in a dry climate. I live in Mississippi, it's hot, wet, and humid here. Pictures of the kind of land iam looking at.
Hi, I am currently in Apache County Arizona. Saint Johns to be exact. It’s beautiful, hot but without the humidity and very dry.
Please beware of buying property sight unseen and be aware that you may be an hour (sometimes more) from the nearest store or fire department/emergency services so plan accordingly. I would highly suggest contacting the Apache County and getting more info on the area and requirements for wells and irrigation. Also be sure to do due diligence and be mindful of any HOAs and their restrictions. Some properties only allow for a single family on 30-40ac and some only allow certain animals.
I am from WV and love it here. My only true complaint is cost of food/goods in town. Things are more expensive because the nearest Walmart, etc is a solid hour away. (So is the ER.) I may go back to WV to visit but it won’t be anytime soon.
Best wishes for you on your endeavors.
Michael Littlejohn wrote:Hi Silas,
Great post and I am rooting for you.
I have to share some of my experiences with you about "cheap land" in the US Southwest however. I went through a phase of buying several uber-cheap properties in the Texas Chihuahuan Desert and I actually have a laundry list of caveats for you, and I apologize if you are already aware of these pitfalls. My experiences were overwhelmingly not good and the short list is:
(1) Inaccurate and confusing boundary surveys (often the reason for the sale of the property and if you look at the chain of ownership you will see numerous previous owners for property, which is a real red flag.
(2) No surveyor would touch it (all on retainer with the regional oil and gas companies ) none will touch that boundary survey and I dont know about AZ but in Texas you're not buying mineral rights (and therefore have no legal recourse if
(3) somebody wants to drill, pump, frack, etc) but also IF your boundary survey is not right, none of those surveyors will do it for any amount of money it because it would cause litigation between the oil companies which own the mineral rights.
(4) If you are from MS and used to 40 inches of rain annually, then you are going to get really sick of buying water, or unprofitably drilling 198 feet if your well is a near miss.
(5) Corporate agriculture is sucking the water out of the region so that your water table today may not be what it will be four years from now.
(6) If you can pump it, its often brackish water in the US Southwest.
(7) Coyotes are lined up waiting for your chickens and sheep.
( Your plants may have to drill themselves through compacted calcium "caliche" that you have to hack through in that part of the country, ( if you've done your homework you could possibly avoid that).
(9) A very intrusive, rude and prying INS, DEA presence on the constant lookout for undocumented persons and contraband (you may get tired of being pulled over a couple times of month for no particular reason)
(10) Unless you have a team to work with, be advised that people will come on your property when you are away and steal every tool, animal, dog, tractor, bail of wire and dig your plants out of the ground in your absence,
(11) Creosote bush, if you have them you know what a pain they are
(12) Fracking, and you may want to do research on that, but if somebody is pumping pink jellified gunk into the ground 1500 feet from my Permaculture project, I would be one very unhappy camper.
(13) Finally, infrastructure issues, adobe requires water, but if you need wood you may have to truck in every stick of it.
I apologize for all of the above, I share it with the best of intentions. That being said, you would be a hero if you could make a go of a greening-the-desert type program in that area, because its much needed, but I think you are in for a multi-tiered challenge, which exists on a political and economic arena on one end and the other which is an agricultural challenge with water and infrastructure issues.
I would add that I thought of using African Acacias in that part of the world. to create shade and humus, the local Mesquites being prolific but rather spindly in profile as compared to their more robust African cousins. (Umbrella acacia) came to mind but alas I never even got that far. Best, M
Michael Littlejohn wrote:Hi Silas,
Mike here. Thanks for that. I have friends in the region and an offer of part time employment if I need in the Northern part of the state but I am somewhat flexible in terms of where Im going. Yes, its going to be tricky to stay out of the wind-drift of chemical herb & pesticides. I see myself on the edge of a small town somewhere and will consider my placement carefully. I am also studying strategies and designs for high-wind resistant housing. I think it might be best to obtain an older home for less and slowly grow my new home off of it. I appreciate and am totally open to any advice. Thanks!
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