Orion Tep wrote:Hey Everyone. We have 5 acres, nested up again My Rainier Natl. Forest. It would be great to connect with people who can see the gem in the rough!
Our lack of building infrastructure necessitates that anyone who visits the Sanctuary between October and March should have a van or bus that they can stay in comfortably. Spring
I see 4 ideal types on future community members.
1) Apprentices: people with enthusiasm and work ethic who are excited to learn and are comfortable living without a lot of modern luxuries.
We have growing businesses that really need more hands! There is an opportunity to learn a very wide set of skills here!
This person might not have much offgrid experience, community experience, or skills. Understanding that up front, I can offer guidance as you get oriented and comfortable.
2) A nomad/experienced offgrid/permaculture person looking for somewhere they could contribute their skills and time to and have a home base to return to for many years.
3) People who are ready to buy land but wants to learn a bit more first. This person is already financially established and can take care of themselves. They are looking for community and experience.
We might buy a piece of land together!
4) Finally, finding a romantic partner that can share this passion and help build this would really be a game changer. There is a lot of male energy here, and the Sanctuary is missing a balance of the feminine.
I believe the Sanctuary would bloom on a whole new level under the hand of a woman.
I do not see this place as a forever home for anyone, including myself. I see it as a place we come for periods of time on our journey. Maybe a month, maybe 6, maybe a year. It is possible that the right caretakers who really connect with the land could stay here a long time.
A little more information on the property:
We are 1 hour from Seattle, Tacoma, and Olympia, with 300+acres bordering our Northeast.
We are 20 miles or so from the edge of civilization, yet also only 15 minute drive to a Walmart, Safeway, Fred Meyer, and public library!
The Sanctuary has been paid off and is protected in a private trust.
For many years, it was mainly just me, working away to create the foundation a community could grow on.
Now we are looking for a couple people that could really make the most out of this opportunity.
We have created several businesses that not only offer pay, but also an opportunity to learn valuable skills and options that let you do different kinds of work from day to day!
Feel free to check out my other posts for more information. I will try to condense what is most relevant here.
The Sanctuary is 100% off-grid. No running water or electricity. We are building a huge solar system right now for power! Showers and laundry are the biggest challenges. We currently use the houses of community friends.
We are getting ready to have a big metal building built which will be the community kitchen.
We have chickens, turkeys, and cats domestically and a very rich wildlife population. There are lakes and rivers within 10minut drive and 100+ ft waterfalls within an hour. The mountains and ocean are no more than 2 hours away.
I have the skills and tools to do everything from forestry/logging/milling wood, construction and building, electrical/solar systems, orchard/crop establishment and care, self-defense/martial arts, and I'm not bad with mechanics.
I offer full class tuition to employees and apprentices who want to practice martial arts.
So what I have to offer, in a nutshell is
-Land to stay in your bus, van, or camper
-Land to help grow an orchard, food forest, and homestead farm, that you might return to for many years and that will benefit the world for generations to come.
-Work and business opportunity. Not only do we have businesses and need more people. Employees usually start at 20$/he after a training period. There are also several opportunities to partner on new businesses! There is a lot of financial opportunity for people who are ready to WORK.
-Access to a huge tool set
-Educational opportunity and opportunity to gain real experience in many valuable trades, practices, and a way of life
-martial arts tuition
-an opportunity to help shape the future
What I cannot offer people:
-Housing. There are no available dwellings here for people to move into.
-A free ride. If you are not ready to work 4-6 hours 5-6 days a week, this is not for you.
-Equity in ownership. I can help you but land, but this land is not for sale in any way. However people who develop a relationship with the land and act responsibly are valued and welcome to stay.
There is A LOT of room for what's happening to expand here. This is a place where dreams manifest!
You can find "The Sanctuary and It's Stewardship" on Facebook for more picture and information.
We as a permaculture community from Olympia, Tacoma, and Seattle are beginning to organize more and create more events locally, so come join the revolution!
Mary Duncan wrote:I'm interested in hearing from anyone who has this commitment in their heart (see the Subject heading), and who is/are following through on this commitment. Also, I can't be the only BIPOC who is connected to the land. There have to be at least a few more folks like me, out there somewhere. If you know of them, please let them know of me! And as a female, I require the strong presence of at least 1 or 2 other females, of any color, in a land-based organic farm / permaculture community setting. Now that I've put this out there, I understand that the Universe will answer in the Affirmative. Maybe not through permies dot com, but somehow, it will come to pass! Peace, blessings & wise discernment.
Michael Cox wrote:I'm immediately thinking about land levels. 20 acres is a large area to surround, and it is highly unlikely that you will have a level circumference to build you moat around. A series of connected pools and channels sounds better.
Have you seen the Geoff lawton video where he walks around a property he used to own in Australia. He built a series of lovely connected pools and water courses.
[EDIT: Unfortunately I can't find the video easily on youtube right now. Anyone got any clues?]
Dillon Nichols wrote:That article is amusing... but not meant for serious reading imo!
By far biggest worry for me would be the departments of sadness.
In my neck of the woods, I think that to avoid them it would need to NEVER be connected to fish bearing creeks, even in winter flood.
Stocking it with anything is another point that they involve themselves with... either to license or ban depending on the species.
Using the water it contains for any commercial purpose, ie a farm that sells anything, is another.
Dams are another, engineering and permits to make aure you don't build a shitty dam that washes away an elementary school when it fails...
If you are live somewhere where the cannibal hordes have consumed the office-weasels, things get simpler..
Retention is a big concern. I have clay, but it isnt bottomless, and isnt a very predictable thickness, so the larger the work the greater the risk of delving too greedily and too deep, and losing water retention as I bust through into sand or some such. More numerous smaller ponds seem safer from this perpective..
On the other hand for storage purposes a deeper pond is preferable for temp control, evap, space required, etc... going deeper becomes a calculated gamble..
Finally, it's not that hard, if you have an excavator, to dig a lot of holes/trenches. What is hard is disposing of all the stuff you dig up! For me to dig a 14ft deep pond from ground level I end up with lots more space occupied by spoil than by pond, and taking it anywhere at all will take much more time than digging it did. And in the summer that pond will only have maybe 5ft of water in it, so going shallower isn't much of an option..
All that said... a really good contour map would be a good place to start your planning, and more info would surely spark further discussion!
thank you...I also found this article and read a bit of it. 😊👍
bernetta putnam wrote:found some good sounding instructions for this here:
be sure to share pictures of this adventure with us.
Kyle Bob wrote:Howdy DeeDee! It looks like your goals and ethics line up with mine and my partner's. And our skills might be in line with your needs. I'd like to know more about your group.
Erica Colmenares wrote:
DeeDee Anderson wrote: Tennessee is pretty cool! Will you be farming or working with bees there? Id love to have a network of friends from all over, working together.
I sure hope to have bees, though I'm trying to take things bit by bit. Right now, we're in an apartment, 40 minutes from our land. One of our awesome rural neighbors has bees, though, and is starting to figuring out the market side of that. I'm sure I can learn a lot from her!
I'm with you on networking. I want both IRL community and online community - and if they overlap, that'll be a treat!