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I just finished making leek,carrot, rutabaga, potato soup. The stock was from the head of one of our pigs this fall and the veggies are from our garden :D Yummy

Kate Downham wrote:I’m having trouble finding information about listeria other than anti-raw-milk sources.

A big fuss is made about listeria during pregnancy, with a long list of foods to avoid eating, which include very nourishing ones that were everyday foods for my ancestors. I am wondering whether the reason these foods are considered risky today is because of the unnatural way many animals are raised today? And if the reason our ancestors could eat these foods and have babies was because they were much healthier and resilient from a nourishing diet with lots of good bacteria?

Nearly everyone I know seems to get food poisoning every so often. I think the statistic in Australia is that one in five people get food poisoning every year. I eat foods every day that a lot of people consider to be dangerous, but I've never had food poisoning from any of them.

Is it possible, that in someone that eats so much good bacteria every day from raw milk, yoghurt, kefir, kimchi, kombucha etc, that there is no niche in their body for bad bacteria to take over?

Does this good bacteria make it impossible for someone eating a diet like that to get listeria?

Is it only factory farmed animal foods that are causing the food poisoning?

Is the medical establishment just finding new ways to say mean things about raw milk whenever they get a chance? Or is there actually a risk that drinking fresh milk from my own animals will cause listeria?

What foods are actually risky? Is homemade raw yoghurt a risk? Are kefir and soured milk riskier than fresh milk? Is avoiding soft cheese and raw charcuterie during pregnancy enough to avoid listeria?

a lot of questions in here.

so here is my opinion.
I haven't gotten food poisoning since i was 12 or so. I find it a challenge to associate stomach ailments with disease as it is an area with a lot of emotion's. Meaning it can be hard to tell when someone has an issue with there stomach, when really they are feeling something which is hard to describe, in words.

"I eat foods every day that a lot of people consider to be dangerous, but I've never had food poisoning from any of them."
I also eat questionable food everyday. I drink 1 litre of raw goat whole buttermilk every day.  I eat hard cheese which has green/blue mold on it. I will eat meat which is pink/cook rare. However all of this food has been prepared by me, besides the cheese. So the milk i know how clean it is. The meat has been slaughtered by me. The sauerkraut has been cut up by me. The sour dough bread has been made by our good friends.

Is it possible, that in someone that eats so much good bacteria every day from raw milk, yoghurt, kefir, kimchi, kombucha etc, that there is no niche in their body for bad bacteria to take over?
I strongly believe this is the case. You are adding so many good bacteria to your body, that any which enter your system is easily eliminated without harm.

Is it only factory farmed animal foods that are causing the food poisoning?
I believe this meat/milk/cheese is produced in a way where these bad bacteria can slip thru the cracks of the large system and into the food sector. I also believe knowing where your food comes from makes a huge different in knowing how the animal was treated as well as how the meat/milk/cheese was handle prior to you receiving it.

Is the medical establishment just finding new ways to say mean things about raw milk whenever they get a chance?
I strongly believe this to be the case. Fear mongering

I wish i could answer the listeria questions though i really have no idea.

A book i recommend would be The Milk Book by William Campbell Douglass

so yet again just my opinion.

Honestly, i believe your best bet with the extra milk(in canada) would be to raise pigs with it.
The pigs will not worry about it being fresh, or even 100% clean.
The pigs will drink it if its warm/cold or when its soured.
I really miss having my pigs for the ease of feeding.

another question i have is, is this illegal milk selling an enforced law where you live? For instance I've read that places can have laws though without having a bylaw officer or someone to enforce the laws around, there are ways around selling things.  just a thought.

Milking sweet Elli.
The nut bag really helps keep the initial dirt out of the milking pail. i seem to get the cleanest milk doing it this way. I have really done my best to not buy the paper milk disposable filters. After ive milked i than put it thru a similar sized mesh stainless steel tea strainer.

do you have more photos? Id like to see more of this :D

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welcome to permies Veronica!

First it would help to know where you are located? so we could get a sense of what local would mean to better answer your question.

somewhat unrelated. if you scroll down to the comments on the audio/transcript link.
the comments are hilarious!

Please excuse my post it was just tooooooo funny! i am laughly so loud to myself!

one of the comments

"No need to toilet train kids any more. This should also be a hit for die hard couch potatoes.

And what about those aging relatives in nursing homes?

"Oh, he's just a vegetable now."

Reminds me of a joke I heard. A guy asks his friend, "Hey, where did you get the green hair?"

The friend blows his nose into his hand then wipes it across his scalp as he answers, "I don't know!"


ah jokes

C. West wrote:oh yeah i should mention nuts will be a big part of my diet (in a few years when they produce), my plan was to can nut butters to get rid of some oxalates, but if baking isnt getting rid of oxalates in potatoes, i doubt canning nut butters will either. something to consider, might have to limit nuts to once a week

SO i am not sure if this helps reduce oxalate in nuts. What i do is i shell our hazelnuts, than i soak them in a solution of 1 TBS of sea salt + however much warm water to cover, to 4 cups of shelled hazelnuts. The longer they soak the more salty they become. anyways this will help reduce the amount of phytic acid, and maybe it would help with oxalate as well i am not sure.
I then either dry them, or i roast them in the oven and than turn them into nut butter, along with coconut oil.

What type of nuts will you be eating?(when your trees are old enough that is:P)

I found these website which had some useful information
Low Oxalate Diet Benefits and Risks
Another low Oxalate Diet Website

another option is to begin living with clothes which are dirty/stained even though they might have come out from the laundry machine. I have clothes which are for working in and they are quite stained and i honestly wear them out and about. I see many members of my community wearing there work clothes out and about. When it is a social gathering out come the clothes which are only used for social events.
This might save the need to have many different washing liquids/powders, because the clean clothes stay clean and the dirty clothes stay clean/dirty.

Another thing we do is we soak our clothes for at least a day before we wash them. This seems to help with loosening dirt.

Another thing would be airing out your clothes after you have worn them for a few days and switch to another shirt or pair of pants or socks. this way they can air out and can be worn longer, which would mean using less soap because the clothes get more use before they become washed. I do this quite a lot.

just some ideas.