Dun Farmin

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The huge pagoda is still there ... what was the intention for it? The hut next to it is falling down now.
9 years ago
Thank you too for dropping by. I have to say I am particularly envious of your experience of Shikoku in the 1970s when ... although Iyo would have still have signs of taking a beating during WWII ... it was still is a far more native/natural condition. Even though it must have been freezing cold in the winter.

I guess you never cross paths with him but author Alex Kerr also found his way their in the 1970s and went even deeper inland to Iya to a different kind of farming.


You still see a lot of the cheap, wooden housing they threw up after the war. Most of the rice fields between Matsuyama to the Shigenobu River have been lost to more modern housing, and they've built a huge dojo and sports/cycling stadium along side it. Dogo Onsen is still there, surrounded now by the concrete of 4 star hotels, but is unique and, yes, the castle is one of the best in Japan. It's a good city to aim for for folks wanting to catch a feel of 'everyday Japan', rather than just Tokyo or Kyoto.

If you have time to consider the questions above, thanks; if not, I won't be offended.

What was the total acreage of Masanobu's land? I take it the citrus was the main cash crop that kept it all paid for?
9 years ago

Xisca Nicolas wrote:Hope to make you less interrogative now!
And hope larry will pay a visit here!

Could you correct the spelling in the title correctly then?

I don't want to look like the one who could not spell *Fukuoka* properly. Thanks.

And, Larry ... if you make here ... leading on from the spiritual practice question, would you care to share with us what you think Fukuoka's "satori" experience was?
9 years ago

Brenda Groth wrote:I don't know who you were directing your questions to ...

Xisca Nicolas wrote:Well, I guess the question is for Larry...

No offence meant but, yes, they were meant for Larry Korn. I'm not a beginner and so was looking for more indepth responses from Larry.

See this thread here ... https://permies.com/t/17822/permaculture/Welcome-Larry-Korn-editor-translator#152906 ... (from where my posts were removed for some reason I understand not).
9 years ago
PS) Did Fukuoka have any spiritual practise at all ... beyond his farming and contemplation of his land?
9 years ago
Hi. I have a few questions that I would like to ask, one that has come up elsewhere recently.

Without writing a book about it, which is probably there to be written ... ;-),

a) How would you define the relationship between Fukuoka's natural farming method and permaculture? For example, are they two different circles which interact at a certain point or is natural farming one potential within the broader permaculture?

b) You've undoubtably done more than anyone to bring to the world's attention Fukuoka's work, 40 years how much of an effect do you think it has had, and how and where (where not so much geographically but socially)?

c) To what do you ascribe the difference in the 'success' and spread of permaculture in comparison to natural farming? It is interesting that you yourself, in essence, market (if I may use such a vulgar concept) yourself as a permaculturalist now, rather than a natural farmer.

d) Looking back over the 30/40 years since you translated 'One Straw Revolution' how successful do you think it has been communicating Fukuoka's ideas, how complete a picture do you think it gives, would you have done it a different way if you were to do it today?

e) Are there any limitations to the ability to carry out natural farming be and what might they be, e.g. I am thinking quality of land, climate, financial background and land resources etc?

f) Is there any such thing as a "natural farming movement", how do you see it and how has it changed over the decades?

  • I appreciate that the last question might be a little too sensitive, or you might not want to offend or upset anyone by being too direct, so please allow me to do so. What I have seen or experience is a correlation between the natural farming "consciousness" (I find it hard to see anything as cohesive as a movement), and the macrobiotic movement; that is to say, in its early period of expansion into the West it became a little bit extreme and cult-ish even but that it is broadening and mellowing out a bit. Unfortunately, unlike the macrobiotic movement, there have never really been any businesses or school to promote it, nor 'Kushis' to Fukuoka's Oshawa.

  • g) Have you visited any of the Indian natural farmers or have any knowledge of how the movement is doing over there?

    h) What do you think Fukuoka's final most important legacy to this world will be, or indeed the most important part to his message?

    Thank you.

    (FYI, or rather the information of the forum guard dogs ... although 'dun' means brown, the name is one for the Roger Waters fans)
    9 years ago

    Tyler Ludens wrote:Larry, do you know of any other farm which has emulated Fukuoka's philosophy and techniques and which also welcomes tours?

    Joel, Tyler ...

    Yoshikazu Kawaguchi runs the so called 'Akame Natural Farming School' quite near to Osaka and has classes most weekend. His "school" are a lot of old fields up in the countryside. I'd say it is the closest you can get.

    They are involved with an annual conference of natural farmers in Japan, which unfortunately you have missed for this year, but I am sure they would put you in touch with other farmers perhaps for WWOOF-ing.

    How is your Japanese?

    The Fukuoka's do have 'open days' (for the want of a better word) now and again, which usually means part work (to pay for the distraction, I guess!) part sight-seeing, and on Wednesdays there is a study group meeting there now which would give you a chance to meet with some of his old students/workers. I am not sure if it is open or by invitation but it is certainly in Japanese.

    There are other organic farmers in the area, and once a month a mini-festival/fair at one of them in Uchiko. If you head down to Matsuyama, the Matsuyama Guest House is a good place to stay. Between Matsuyama and Uchiko there is enough to see and do to make it a pleasant long weekend away ... *but* it is a long way from Tokyo with no Shinkansen to connect you. Either you have to take the Shinkansen to Osaka and then ferry it down to Matsuyama over night, or take the Shinkansen to Hiroshima and then the fast ferry over from there. Flying is possible but scores you negative eco points.
    9 years ago