Ron Helwig wrote:I'd bet that most of the benefit from "detoxing" comes from fasting or calorie restriction. Of course, those selling the herbs also benefit.
Samantha Couchman wrote:I'm trying to find out why people choose them and what they like most about them. Also if there is anything people don't like about them. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Ron Helwig wrote:Humans (and other animals) have been using their kidneys and livers to detox for millenia. No herbs needed.
I'd bet that most of the benefit from "detoxing" comes from fasting or calorie restriction. Of course, those selling the herbs also benefit.
Dale Hodgins wrote:Hucksters will tell you that you are reabsorbing all sorts of horrible things. This is not something that is medically accepted. They are making sales. That's it.
Don't do it.
Seb Cha wrote:"If I became exposed to lead, or to benzene or to rattlesnake venom, there would be a medically appropriate action to be taken. "
This is true for a selection of clear cut cases that usually involves acute toxicity and the field of toxicology is somewhat biased towards that end. What most people are referring to when they use the words "toxins" in the ultra vague sense is more along the lines of chronic low-grade exposure to industrial chemicals, heavy metals, or microbial cell wall components. Nothing is generally done in medical practice for that sort of thing despite the fact that we're all exposed to it. Endotoxin for example is a primary driver of cardiometabolic disease and yet treatment options remain purely symptomatic. And again, i'm not siding with detox woo. But a lot of alternative medicine arises out of real issues to which no conventional approach has been shown effective. Snake oils men are in essence, opportunists. Something conventional medicine has partly allowed by de-emphasizing holistic health.
Seb Cha wrote:I feel that 100%. I did my undergrad in biochemistry and was unfortunately taken out of commission from pursuing grad school from a "mysterious" illness which after countless hours of research and probing with blood tests turned out to be a fairly clear cut case of late-stage Lyme disease. My doctors were adamant that "it doesn't exist in the south" despite evidence to the contrary. Even after determining this was the issue it's a continuous battle as to the existence of "chronic Lyme" disease and whether further treatment is required. I have actual textbooks (plural) on "stealth" pathogens dating back to the early 80s that set a clear precedent for chronic Lyme. Coupled with the actual animal, human and in vitro studies that support the notion it's then baffling that most doctors continue to assert that "there's no such thing as chronic Lyme". At best the literature says "we're not totally certain but there's some evidence. to be continued". Even the CDC has updated their stance to one of ambiguity. In my case i've actually been forced to seek out herbs with antibiotic properties just to continue to feel normal. So that's probably why I'm a tad defensive of them lol. Within an hour of my first dose my vasculitis disappeared. My other symptoms have been in slow retreat for the most part ever since.
Curious what kind of science you do? I still think about going back into it now and again. Mostly i just enjoy being up to my neck in books and papers though.