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3. 60% of garden grown as compost crops to feed the other 40%
A guy I worked with for a couple seasons practiced the method of having half of his garden for compost crops. He had read Jeavon's book, and had a friend at Rodale Institute who he consulted with often. He was definitely not bio-intensive, but had a few things in common. Though he tilled his soil, his methods were pretty decent, and his soil was excellent considering the tillage.it should be pointed out that these 'compost crops' are not solely for compost.
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John Polk wrote:
3. 60% of garden grown as compost crops to feed the other 40%
For clarification, it should be pointed out that these 'compost crops' are not solely for compost.
They include oats, wheat, corn and other cereals, plus crops like legumes.
These crops all produce edible products, but have a tremendous quantity of bio-mass in their stalks and foliage. They serve both as food crops and compost crops.
Roberto pokachinni wrote:
A guy I worked with for a couple seasons practiced the method of having half of his garden for compost crops. He had read Jeavon's book, and had a friend at Rodale Institute who he consulted with often. He was definitely not bio-intensive, but had a few things in common. Though he tilled his soil, his methods were pretty decent, and his soil was excellent considering the tillage.it should be pointed out that these 'compost crops' are not solely for compost.
For compost crops he grew Rye, peas, and vetch together. Non of these were used as crop plants for food production. They were sawed down when the peas just began to flower to maximize the nitrogen both in the soil and in the composting green material. These were sawed down with a brush saw, and were hauled to massive compost piles, which were then applied liberally to food crop plants. The soil in the compost growing area was either replanted in this same combo, cycled into the food plant rotation by being either planted with food plants directly in the stubble, or tilled first and then planted.
When we teamed up for a larger project on the second year, I tried to encourage no till, but the dude was in his 70's and had a fancy new Kobota tractor... there was just no way he could have gardened on this scale by hand digging at his age and condition. I did convince him to read Teaming With Microbes, and he did reduce his tillage.
Anyway... the reason that I mention it, is that the compost crop element can be done in a number of different ways. The main point is that a good chunk of the garden could be primarily used for growing soil/fertility/compost.
I do like the idea of getting food crops out of the production of compost areas. This function stacking is probably more necessary in a developing nation/village, or in places with limited space, but should be considered by all farmers.
The thing that I want to get across is also that once a good seed stock is developed on the farm, all crops can be grown and used for compost production/food production.
Personally, after studying and conversing with Emelia Hazelip (Before she sadly died), and connecting with the work of Elaine Ingham, I am lead to believe and practice that the fertility can be built and stabilized in a soil system just by minimizing the amount of plant matter that is removed for consumption or sale from the garden. Thus, carrot tops, for example, are left in the garden where they grew. Pea plants are left in the place, while only the pods are removed (and once shucked of peas, the pods returned to the spot they grew).
The vast majority of the molecular structure that makes up the plants comes not from the aggregate minerals, but from atmospheric gasses. In this organic chemistry manner the carbon dioxide, the hydrogen and oxygen from water, the nitrogen fixed by legumes and brought by rain, the oxygen in the air, and other gas cycles which come from waste products of microbial metabolisms all form complex molecules. Most of this is not derived from the soil but from the atmosphere, and thus with the majority of the plant being left in the soil or as mulch there is a lot more returned or remaining, than that which is removed to market or home consumption. In the same thought, the soil organic matter is steadily improved and thus increasing the availability of micronutrients and trace minerals to succeeding plant introductions either by seed or transplant. By not tilling the soil, by not breaking the soil structure, by keeping a good mulch layer, and by planting diverse species and root depths/types then we build diverse microbial communities which build a subsequent macro network of expansive soil living organics and long term carbon sequestering through dead microbes building humus.
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Tobias Ber wrote:i think, the term "compost plants" is leading into the wrong direction of thinking. i read the free ebook from that site and it names that principle "carbon farming".
that lines up with the chemistry that roberto talks about.
the goal of the author is to be independent of external inputs. this is good in some cases, but not in all cases/situation.
i think, permaculture has better approaches for most cases/situations. like getting wood for hügelkultur. or having sunchoke or comfrey in unproductive corners of your land to chop, carry and drop (and sometimes harvest for other functions).
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I totally agree. And I would add that in Northern or Temperate climates where there are much less perennial veg crop options, this method (or a variant of it) is the quickest way to maximize your yields of annual veggy crop plants in a small area.In my opinion, biointensive practices are perfectly compatible with permaculture. The small area needed for growing food may be important in areas where irrigation water is at a premium, or there are simply space constraints.
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Roberto pokachinni wrote:
I totally agree. And I would add that in Northern or Temperate climates where there are much less perennial veg crop options, this method (or a variant of it) is the quickest way to maximize your yields of annual veggy crop plants in a small area.In my opinion, biointensive practices are perfectly compatible with permaculture. The small area needed for growing food may be important in areas where irrigation water is at a premium, or there are simply space constraints.
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Travis Schulert wrote:
3. 60% of garden grown as compost crops to feed the other 40% (if compost crops can be wild harvested you can use more of your garden for market or food crops)
R. Han wrote:
Travis Schulert wrote:
3. 60% of garden grown as compost crops to feed the other 40% (if compost crops can be wild harvested you can use more of your garden for market or food crops)
So it's a 100% plant compost with no manure or anything else in it? If so i suppose you have to carfully select the compost plants for a correct C/N ratio?
Would composting hay also work?
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