Start of lesson, day 3. Teg has gone round to head the sheep and has stopped. This is a perfect start but there are 90 sheep here and with a group this big she needs to be more mobile to keep the flanks tucked in and I want her to get everything moving
I am walking backwards which makes Teg want to move toward me and she picks up the sheep and is working nice and calmly
Here she has got a little fixated on somebody in the middle of the group and that could easily end up in her splitting those two from the side, another reason why I want to get more activity out of her
I move swiftly left and let the sheep escape past me so she has to speed up and flank to head them off - she can't be sticky and fixated while she is doing this!!
Come to a stop again but this time I've asked her for it - allowing her time to realise we can all stand still and rest and the sheep won't go anywhere - this stops her wanting to rush about to try and control them the whole time
Here we are working on directional commands, my 'come by' is the opposite way to everybody else's but she's doing what I ask and is an appropriate distance from her sheep to keep them moving well
She hasn't quite gone far enough on this flank and has got fixated with the 7th head from the left, so she gives the five a chance to escape - but they are more concerned with staying with their mates so she gets away with it
Much better this time!!
This group is dropping behind so Teg speeds them up to get with the rest
Keeping an eye on a straggler, good girl, nice and steady
To make things more challenging we put them through the gate you can see in the background, left. This is her first gate and she made all the rookie errors, but that doesn't matter, we are left with a smaller group which she handles very well
We are trying to get them back through the gate but they want to go through the one on the right instead. This means Teg has to concentrate and use a bit more pressure than she has been up til now
But she manages well and here they are on the other side. I am particularly pleased here because she made a small mistake and split one, and instead of going after it brought the rest back. You can see from her expression she is well aware of the odd man out and what she is doing to correct the situation
Here we have been working the sheep up a fence line so I can get her 'following sheep' that are moving well together - they find this easier to begin with up a fence line as they know they have less ground to cover. Having got her to understand that this is what I want her to do, I can bring them off the fence a little to start a few steps of cross-drive, which is what she is doing here
Very pleased with that so I thought we might go and pick up a couple of ones that got away as we took the big group through the gate the first time. This alters the feel of the whole thing - some want to go to the two stragglers and some want to disappear over the horizon and here is Teg wondering what she should do about it
Very pleased with her decision to go and get the ones that are further away - up til now she would have ignored them and just worked the ones close by, unless I asked her to look back. Her inexperience shows though as she should have gone up the hedge to turn them away from it
The result is the sheep go hide out in the hope she will leave them alone. This is the advantage of practical farm dog education - in the real world sheep are cunning and fields do not have tidy fences to help the dog and she has to work out how to get them out again now they are all jammed up in the trees
After a bit of thought this lovely willing, clever little thing works out what to do and gets them out of the woods and reunited with the other group and the two original breakaways. Really, really pleased with how she worked today!
This is a flock of about 140 now on 3 steep fields that Teg doesn't know, about 15 acres I suppose and you can't see one end from the other because of the hill. I let her go from the far end and she disappeared enthusiastically over the skyline. Then there was that looooong wait while you wonder what is happening - then Teg comes into view having collected the whole lot and very pleased with herself
Smasher here to help today, though she did her lift entirely by herself - they have brought them through that gate behind them. She is fixated on something and he is holding them in so she can't split the little group at the back right off, which is telling her better than I ever could to get looser
Teg takes the hint and here they are moving together again
She is worried about losing the front, a common issue with a young one - it takes time for them to understand the front end looks after itself - so here she is doing a loop to stop them
Back working together to bring them down again, I like that she is thinking independently here and working as a team, rather than following him
Clever girl here covering the long side as they turn right into the yard
Very happy young dog holding them in while I shut the gate
I forgot the lead today which was a mistake because she took off before she was told and had today's sheep (250 ewes) stuck against the fence before I could catch up with her. Here my brace get up close and personal with the sheep to push them off again
Teg's confidence improves all the time and she's not intimidated with the idea of sqashing down between them and the fence
A lot of sheep for a young thing
Really pleased with her here because she's working a long way out and not inclined to split them
Down at the yard she's busy pushing them into the pen
Teg works close up and they respect her and push on
Holding them in nice and calmly while I come to shut the gate
It's a tight squeeze to get them all in but both dogs are doing well getting them to go in without splitting ones off the back
Here is Teg back and raring to go - she's already shown me she remembers all we did before and has gathered them and run them through the race to have their tags read, now we will move them next door
Which involves roadwork, something she hasn't done before. She's really concerned they will go off up the road and she will never see them again....
...still worrying but very important not to cuss her for running up the side because this will be fundamental to staying in control of a group on the road, if they haven't got the guts and the speed to get by them, they are not up to road work
I am asking her politely to stay back and she is responding well
Now we have got where we need to go and Teg has come by to stop them and turn them in. "Gosh, do they really have to go through there?"
They don't want to go through the puddle at all and Teg is having to hold up both ends while they make the decision to take the plunge
Eventually they get braver and she has done well to push them through here
Very important waiting for that last one and this lamb really doesn't want to get her feet wet!
Teg has put a lot of effort into today and she is tired now, but I let her stop them in the field as she has done so well. Can't believe this little bitch is only a year old!
manuel correia wrote:fascinating and beautiful post - muito obrigado
does anybody have experience with sheep dogs working goat herds of 15 head or more?
Yes, it is perfectly possible to work goats with a dog. They handle differently from most domestic sheep, tending more to split in a crisis than flock. You will get people who say 'You can't herd X with a dog' but in my experience all those things can be herded, it's just a matter of how you go about it. A Border Collie with a lot of eye would not be the sort to choose, they would just stand and glare at each other, and I expect the goats would win.
Eye is something that they have, or don't have, at the start. It develops more as they age. In the beginning they are playing more than working, and their 'eye' may be looser. but when they come into real work as an adult they tend to get steadier and use more fixed eye. I wouldn't really want that working goats, who will tend to face down a dog.
The Welsh dog is the remnant of the old working type that was here in the UK before the Border Collie came along, and this type from the UK would be the rootstock for many of the similar sorts in the USA and Australia - they went round the world with the sheep.
Teg is back and has gone straight to work as a fully fledged part of the team. She says there is one stuck in the brambles. She is right, too.
90 left required, Teg right there to do it.
She has matured a lot and is nice and steady, a thoughtful and intuitive worker, nicer all the time!
Teg has lovely parti coloured eyes. She is technically a sable merle.
First on the card today, move this bunch of old ewes out of the way so I can have ewe lambs past them for a vitamin jab. The old ewes are past their breeding career and in bye for 'intensive care'.
Important to give these old ladies time, and Teg is very good at taking the pressure off to make them feel comfortable about moving
Then off to get the ewe lambs, who are well spread out
Teg is a bit rusty about going around but she's got them all
getting them out of the corner she wants to stand for too long and I have to encourage her to move
Which she does when she knows what I want
showing some Border when she works, she has her tail firmly down like a trial dog
getting the lambs into the yard
Pushy but not rough, Teg doesn't bark, she barges
This is a very characteristic little yawn that young dogs do in training, I never see it at any other time. It seems to happen most when they have been concentrating hard on a job.
Valerie Dawnstar wrote: The English Shepherd and the Welsh sheepdog may just be 2 different local names for the same dog. They look so very similar and would be the Border Collie predecessor. I
I'm the secretary. It was founded in 1996 by the few that still had them breeding pure in Wales and couldn't find a decent unrelated stud dog anymore.
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Nicole Alderman wrote:So will Rock just be herding ducks, or will there be some sheep in the future?
Brynllwyn Handy, by Wilden Dan out of Cefn Coch Tess. 12 weeks old. Previous working experience, zero. Moved 80 hoggs half a mile for me, and when the cull ewes from the field next door broke through, just upped his game and worked 150 of them. Handles just like Smasher did at this age, an old soul.
Yes, alone. He was out for breakfast when I was reading the hoggs through the race. I looked at him when I wanted to move them on down (from the house to the field opposite the cottages) and thought, since you're out, I wonder what you'd make of it? So called him up and off we went
A little indecisive, sheep are curious as they have never met him before, and he's not that comfortable with the attention so I went to give him some moral support
Very aware of the breakaway and has her covered, wants her in the group not after her for sport
Happy raising the energy a bit and experimenting with how much or little push is needed
This shows a part way stage with just a few of the ewes joined us. They have brought more activity with them and he's keen to get them all in his gang. If I'd had one of the trained dogs I might have shed them back but this not the time!
He was a bit unsure how to deal with the bigger group when they were all spread out, so I walked around a wide margin of them to show him I wanted them all. He's happy once he knows this and came out to tuck these in
Absolutely love the body language in this one with his gaze behind that last ewe and not on her, no intensity in it, perfect loose eye work. Sam taking notes in the background.
'With his sheep'...they are moving fine, he's just mooching along with them without adding any stress
Considering his handiwork from a sensible distance and the sheep happy to graze. I think it's as important that they can relax around sheep when nothing needs doing as it is to be able to push them when they have to.
Keeping them grouped up takes a little more energy when there are 150 or they all spread out
This taken on the way home, looking at the weanling colts in the front meadow through the fence. His body language changed from when we started out, much more self assured.
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