Jennifer Wadsworth wrote:In keeping with D Logan's question - is this a gardening PE"P" - should people be able to do this anywhere or only on land of similar size and climate to your own.
1. On my urban lot, some of those things wouldn't grow AND it would be irresponsible for me to grow them (given our water limitations) even if I could.
2. If you are asking me to grow on "no irrigation", I'm going to be left with native edibles as the "exotics" you mention need 60" of water per year even in a sunken, heavily mulched situation. We get 7".
I guess what I'm trying to get at is that we are not homogeneous. We are diverse. Which is good because we practice permaculture.
Can I do a PE"J" Gardening certification that is tailored to urban hot-n-arid regions or is PEP the only accreditation that would be accepted. I'm still confused.
Is the poundage 'in addition to' or 'including' the amounts grown for the previous belt level?
should people be able to do this anywhere or only on land of similar size and climate to your own.
how is zero irrigation defined here? Could I capture roof runoff and use it with drip line for watering in a dry spell, or would that be irrigation?
Initially this was presented as being something that was intended to be somewhat analagous to a bachelor's degree. Looking at the income generation requirement for the black belt level, and thinking about a bachelor's degree, I am seeing a gap.
paul wheaton wrote:But if you go to a school to learn gardening, then in the first year, you should be able to put out a bit of a crop.
paul wheaton wrote:PEP1 is what I'm defining and PEA1 would be what you would define.
paul wheaton wrote:And I think this isn't all that challenging.
Ashley Reyson wrote:Clarification request:
Grow X pounds of Y without transplanting:
Means starting seeds in the ground. Does not mean planting transplants, even if you started them from seed yourself.
Ashley Reyson wrote:And, I'm curious why some plants got the distinction of a required yield (30 lbs tomatoes, 20 lbs peas, ...) and some got not such requirement (I can grow a grape vine but don't need an oz. of yield).
Was this merely a shortcut as the list lengthened?
Or are these others somehow less important to Paul?
Ann Torrence wrote:white belt is for beginners, right? That starting list is daunting. I'd call it a huge victory for someone if in their first year of gardening if they:
-grew something in 10 different plant families from seed
-grew edible roots, leaves, seeds, fruits, and flowers
-propagated trees through seeds and one other method
-grew and incorporated soil improving crops (mulch, green manure, nitrogen fixers, etc.)
-saved some seed
-grew an entire meal and shared it with others
most lifelong traditional gardeners I know haven't done all that!
then start adding the poundage in more advanced belts/badges
I'm all about encouraging the beginner with immediate wins, achievable targets and reasons to celebrate progress.
Ann Torrence raises really good points.
What I suggest is a longer list of procedures that must be adhered to, and more of a selection process for the crops.
Peter Ellis wrote: It might be worth remembering that this is not a beginner's program. Paul is talking about something on a par with a Bachelor's degree. It is advanced study.[...}
So it is not just ok, but appropriate, for the curriculum to be advanced, challenging, even daunting.
Peter Ellis wrote: The tools needed for actually acting upon at new vision? Those do not come in seventy two hours. Those come in pieces over a lifetime and no one ever gets all of them.
Peter Ellis wrote: I also think that the curriculum that may shake out in the course of this discussion is not going to be a list of plants to grow. It will be a more abstract thing, along the lines of how to learn to recognize what plants are appropriate to a situation. Being able to grow fifty pounds of tomatoes is less useful overall than being able to recognize that this is not the place to grow tomatoes, this is where you grow kale. Growing without irrigation may be a useful skill, but what exactly is that skill?
Being able to manage water in the landscape is probably a big piece of that skill, and a good curriculum might say so, to get the student looking at the elements that go beyond the plants.
What are the characteristics of healthy soil? How do you recognize the imbalances, deficiencies or other problems that a given area of land may have?
What is the plant life on the land telling you about the soil and the rest of the environment? Can you see prevailing winds in their growth? Animal pressures?
Are there ph indicators? What about pollinators?
Seth Peterson wrote:Post photos.
In fact, anyone attempting peps at this early beta stage should post lots of photos to discuss the process, results and hammer out the inherent and unhelpful challenges.
Like there should be whole teams of us, taking on pep challenges and posting our progress. Little communities of pep beta testers, just sayin...
You would be much easier to understand if you took that bucket off of your head. And that goes for the tiny ad too!
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