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The Atlantic Coast Pipeline and fracking in general

 
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Well, hello to brothers and sisters who are already suffering in PA and WV and OH and NY and please remind me of other places where you are feeling the pain of methane

we thought we might get rich quick
but all we got was toxic gick

and now dominion wants to get a pass
so friends in europe can have our gas

never mind a heritage we have enjoyed
we're just happy to be employed

i guess our kids will have to barter
with poisoned air and poisoned water

National forests left in ruins
while uber rich enjoy their billions

and all that we can say we own
is worthless land and ruined home

I'm going to a rally this afternoon, got inspired to make a few rhymes, maybe you'd like to help develop it into something more. Dominion Filed for an impact assessment of the damage a 42" pipeline might do running from west virginia to the coast--this is the link that will make all others obsolete, a gas superhighway to europe and beyond, not only will it encourage fracking, it will raise our domestic prices --they pay so much more in europe and beyond
 
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Bob Day : Thanks for posting this, again most North Americans are just getting comfortable with the Idea that we actually, really, and truly are getting
a Break on the costs of our Fossil Fuels!

And virtually no one Is paying attention to the fact that The Price of Natural Gas in the European Union (where they have banned fracking) is twice as
high as here, and the price of Natural Gas in japan is 3 Xs as high!

As former Gas and Oil Importing Terminals here in the U.S. are converted over to Exporting Terminals, and dredging is being done in the waters of the
fragile Chesapeake Bay, we now are being told of a super pipeline to make it even easier for the Gas companies to load Super tankers with North
Americas Nat. Gas to sell to other foreign Countries to line Big Gases Pockets! We take all the Considerable risks with the many dangers of Fracking,
Europe gets Our Gas and Big Gas smiles all the way to the bank!

Here is a link to another Toxic Gick Thread where the uber danger of Transporting Liquified Natural Gas L.N.G. across Our Any inland waterway
in a couple of thread extensions

Http//www.permies.com/forums/posts/reply/0/36182 Hint, Highlight the Bold part, and right click, to open in the Address Window, or as
a Google Search !

For the Good of the crafts Big Al
 
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Hey Big AL, the rally was good, but i was even happier to see your post, i wish there was some way to get people aware how fragile this planet really is.

yeah, ok, the planet itself isn't going anywhere, and people make fun of that statement without taking the meaning to heart. maybe the planet will be here, but we won't

Anyway, it's late and I'm tired, i will put this up here as a reference, but if there are any people viewing this who want to write a letter (not an email)

this is where it goes
Chairman Cheryl A. LaFleur
Federal Energy Regulatory Commission
888 First Street, NE
Washington, DC 20426

There are guidelines to writing the letter to make it more effective, and i will try and put something more together for tomorrow. in the meantime, try this link http://www.friendsofbuckinghamva.org/?page_id=66

also, before you send the letter you will need the docket number of the case so while this is a time sensitive thing, it will be better to wait for a docket number to be issued and then flood the office as soon as the docket number comes out

I have two drafts of my letter, when i get some sleep that will be a number one job tomorrow, print out a final letter, address and stamp an envelope, and be ready to write the docket number and put it in the mail right away, maybe as soon as monday


Ultimately this isn't just about a pipeline, and it's not about my backyard, because i'm probably out of the way of the pipeline and nowhere near the marcellus shale.
It's because a for profit business can suddenly confiscate property for "the public good" (when the public is just being screwed for profit), where does it stop.

And the answer is that it doesn't. If people sit idly by and watch others have their forests and farms and livlihoods destroyed, what wealth will industry find next for the "public good" in your backyard?

you know what they said- If we don't hang together, we shall surely hang separately

so post your pipeline fight here so i can write a letter for yours as well, hopefully it will wait till tomorrow

I'm working on getting pictures of Pennsylvania's state forests in ruins--allowed by a governor bought and paid for by natural gas. That is what they will do to The George Washington National Forest, and that is one of the very real reasons every American has an interest in stopping this pipeline
 
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The docket number hasn't been assigned yet, i'll put up the full format when it is

in the meantime here's a link to the case for the George Washington National Forest

run forest run http://www.friendsofbuckinghamva.org/?page_id=213#comment-21
 
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http://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/gail-arm-to-source-natural-gas-for-liquefaction-at-cove-point-us-114120500865_1.html

Hi Big Al, nice to hear from you.

For anyone choosing to monitor this missive, I'm in the middle of a battle with DOMINION AND DUKE ENERGY OVER WHETHER THEY GET TO PUT A PIPELINE THROUGH THE HEADWATERS OF MY CREEK

www.friendsofbuckingham.org that's a website with lots more information

The Atlantic Coast Pipeline is going to public meetings, but they just leapfrogged over us here even though we are scheduled to have a compressor station, one of only three on the 550 mile route, and it promises to be a real monster.

And Ferc has allowed them to do it

They know they would get beat up in the public meetings, so they just don't hold them, seems like a good lawsuit waiting to happen, wonder if we can get any free lawyers to carry that one forward

we are currently waiting for the starting bell on a two week comment period to block the pipeline going through the George Washington National Forest, and if anyone out there is inclined toward public activism, i'll be posting the contact information when they decide to start the clock on that one, and with sufficient national public outcry we might block the whole thing right at the Forest.. twt

That's all i've got for now, thanks for listening


 
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OK, The time is now to send letters to the National Forest service to stop the pipeline from entering the forest

Here's a link with details of how to send http://www.friendsofbuckinghamva.org/?p=750#comment-218 a sample letter and more details

Fighting these pipelines is always an uphill battle, especially when the only people who have legitimate input over local intrusions are grossly outnumbered by pipeline money. In this case however they are attempting to install a monster pipeline and bisect a national forest with a continuous clearcut. some of the issues are water supply, erosion, invasive species, endangered species, progression of forest to climax

This an opportunity for everyone in the country to protest the trashing of a national treasure. comments-southern-georgewashington-jefferson@fs.fed.us This is the email address you can address it to Supervisor Speaks re: the Atlantic Coast Pipeline survey proposal

Please, take the time to comment, drop an email tell your friends. The pipeline doesn't just represent gas transmission, it encourages the fracking frenzy and this intrusion really sets the stage for a full scale onslaught into the foirest with fracking and even worse devastation

Currently there are outstanding oil and gas leases in private hands, but these leases are not profitable for fracking at this time.

having easy access to a transmission line could turn unprofitable ventures into profitable ones and the forest could ultimately be left in ruins, especially since these leases

not to mention degradation of major water supplies

anyway, if you see this and have a minute, please drop a line to stop this,, thanks

 
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