Kathleen Sanderson wrote:
Matt Walker wrote:The only Masai that were carnivores are the warrior caste, the ones who need to be smartest and strongest and fastest. They save the superior nutrition for the people who need it the most.
That goes along with my thoughts, that the diet high in carbs does limit intelligence.
Dado Scooter wrote:As a gout sufferer, this kind of diet won't work for me.
Patrick Kniesler wrote:you can find the short scratch version. It is not complete, but still backed up by citations.
I'm not sure if this link will work: https://m.facebook.com/groups/105005229541718?view=permalink&id=858911317484435
The gist seems to be that red meats are blameless.
Dawn Hoff wrote:
One of my concerns us the gut biome- the results from the current science says that the more variety we have in our diets, the more variety we have in our biome, and the research seems to suggest that the more variety we have in our biome the healthier we are... another concern I have is the activation of the mTor pathways, which is activated by an overabundance of protein - and the mTor pathways seem strongly linked to cancer. But maybe if you eat 80% animal fats you aren't actually eating that much more protein compared to what I am currently consuming... and if you are zero carbs then maybe there is nothing to feed the cancer-cells...
Nicole Alderman wrote:
My husband has Crohn's. To keep in remission, he's on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet (the diet that GAPS is based off of) and as such he avoids all starches and any sugars that aren't honey or fruit/vegetable. Those sugars and starches (as well as soy and vegetable oils) feed the bad bacteria in his colon, which leads his body to attack his colon, creating ulcers and fistulas, as well as body-wide ailments like ulcer/sores on his feet, uveitis in his eyes, debilitating arthritis, fatigue, and diarrhea.
Sometimes, when one has an already compromised gut, avoiding all the things that can feed bacteria is a good thing, especially for a while so that the gut can heal and more probiotic/prebiotic foods can be introduced. I have limited internet, so I haven't been able to watch Matt's videos, but I read in this thread that he had gut issues before going to an all-meat diet.
But, my husband--before he was diagnosed with Crohn's--also used to try a lot of paleo/primal diets. He ate just potatoes for weeks (the "Potato Hack"), and also ate zero carb for a while. I don't know if this constant change in diet (with the resulting die-off of both good and bad bacteria) contributed to his Crohn's occurring. With him, there were a lot of other factors that probably influenced his Crohn's more, such as living on a diet of mostly sugar and starch and processed foods as a child, being on multiple courses of antibiotics (a few of those times, his dad gave him antibiotics from the fish store, because they couldn't afford a doctor), and having a family history of gut problems. But, I can't rule out that sudden changes to very restricted diets might contribute to things like Crohn's. I personally wouldn't go to an all-meat diet unless things were really bad in my gut, for fear of killing off both good and bad bacteria. But, for some, an all-meat diet might just be the ticket to healing. If SCD ceases to be enough for my husband's gut health, we might just try an all-meat diet.
Xisca! Thank you! Wonderful info. I just had blood work that shows calcium and got a full Iron panel. I'll have to revisit to see if I have copper info in there. I'm hoping to do some hair testing in the coming year to get some more assurance. At this point, all the bloods I have been testing are improving and ideal on this way of eating. My Doctor is ecstatic.
I don't eat organ meats, and I grill a lot of the fat out of my meat so I am eating very high protein, and while it's high fat in the context of a diet with plants, it's not terribly high, and low in the LCHF context. I do eat about 4lbs of beef a day at this point, so the sheer volume of meat means high nutritional inputs, outside of what we might assume at first blush.
Matt Walker wrote:Here's a couple of my latest pics, I can't deny I'm thriving like I NEVER have before. At 48 years old I'm stronger, more flexible, less joint pain, capable of more work, etc, than I was throughout my 20s and 30s.
Anne Miller wrote:
I tried to watch your video but since my computer doesn't have sound I just could not read lips well enough to know if you planned to season your meat. Maybe just salt?
Then there's the red tart cherry juice thing... It DOES work.
Dado Scooter wrote: We don't have a shortage of vegetarians and vegans around here.
Matt Walker wrote:There's no waiting list Xisca, this health issue has had me push away everyone that I cared about. I'm in the ForeverAlone category, and have been for over a decade now. Seems hopeless with how strange I am. My singles profile reads like a list of reasons not to date me! Short, old, broke, lives in a shack, no bathroom, no shower, no cell phone, no facebook, no social life, eats no plants, doesn't believe in current science.....I could go on and on. I've come a long way though, that's the last step in my healing process and I'm slowly getting there.
This is not a pity post, I find it sorta funny to be so strange that I can't find anyone in real life to relate to. I move through my small town like an alien.
Mick Fisch wrote:I need to insert a dumb joke here. "if you claim to like animals, why are you eating their food?"
You are not what you eat, you are what you eat, eats.
Seems like a simple concept to me.
Mick Fisch wrote:
Then there's the red tart cherry juice thing... It DOES work.
What does the red tart cherry juice do? We've got some, I use it to flavor my lemonade, but I don't know what it's supposed to do.
Dale Hodgins wrote:There have been many threads on here, where people wish to produce everything that they eat. It becomes nearly impossible, as they desire many items that come from afar and grow in vastly different climates.
Someone following this diet, could buy 50 acres of rangeland, that might not be good for much else. Practice rotational grazing, milk a few cows, have some chickens, harvest some hay and get a big freezer, so you don't have to keep too many animals over the winter. Done.
Of course, someone could do that and also have a big vegetable garden.
Matt Walker wrote:Xisca, I meant that I always commented to Paul and Jocelyn that I was most impressed with Pauls' belief in himself. As he likes to say, "I am awesome." I struggled with that for a long time, not liking myself much, so I always looked up to him regarding loving one's self.
Matt Walker wrote:No raw yet for me Xisca. I do love raw fish, but even though I eat a lot of red meat, I am not really a huge fan of the raw or rare taste. I cook my steaks so that they are ruined by most standards. I just like them better that way.
Matt Walker wrote:I did put my dogs on a carnivore diet shortly after going that way myself. I couldn't rationalize feeding them carbs after learning what I have. They all show improved health right along with me, I feel bad for feeding them what I did for so long.
Xisca Nicolas wrote:
Matt Walker wrote:To be clear Xisca, I have always been surrounded by plant based eating as well. My views on nutrition have done a complete 180 in this past year. I'm so glad too, the overall effect of removing plants from my diet has been profound in many, many ways.
If you have any time and wish to say what triggered you for such a change? And the effect? It is very interesting for people to know in what case it makes a difference. Usually it is good for more parasympathetic people, or having a tendency to slow thyroid and metabolism, and a big need for protein and stimulation of HCl. After a hair analysis, I was advised to get at least 40% of my calories from animal products. I had already made a try in my 20's, and loved it but it was too difficult. I very recently decided to give it a try again, so I jumped on this topic! Living in the subtropics, I have just tryed high fruits 2 years, and was still high in protein but with more goat cheese than meat, and it was not ok. 1 pound of raw beef per day is great! The guinea pig was good, but I will go on cooking the skin I think....
David Lehnherr wrote:Wow. Can’t imagine a meat-only diet. Too much protein, especially animal protein, is causing many of our modern health epidemics (obesity, diabetes, etc.). Of course, industrial animal farming is terrible for the planet. Wild game or small-scale animal husbandry isn’t so bad, but they aren’t an option for most people. Simple carbs have no health benefit, but complex carbs (i.e., fruits, veggies, legumes, etc.), which also usually have associated protein, seem vital to good health.
Xisca Nicolas wrote:I am shocked by what implies that meat is dirty! Call a cat a cat: this is lab meat! Calling it clean meat is manipulation, not only of cultured cells but of opinions and traumatic feelings!
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