The chronostratigraphies preserved in the banks testify to a sustainable agricultural regime of unprecedented time-depth: centuries of continued use make the system employing raatakkers the most enduring and stable form of farming known in the history of the Netherlands.
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Lana Weldon wrote:Where in NW Europe? The British isles, Germany, or Scandinavia?
Eino Kenttä wrote:Seems to be exclusively the Celtic area, so not really that very far north. Never heard of anything like it in Scandinavia...
Jeremy VanGelder wrote:To my eyes those look like the rather haphazard fields that Europeans have usually used for farming. They often have a wall or hedge between fields. And plowing can compact soils.
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The small field near Uggårde (Rone sn) on SO Gotland has the same shape as over 2000 years ago! The large field system ("Celtic fields") of the Bronze and earliest Iron Ages lives on here in the late arable land. Just next door are former fields of the same type.
Burra Maluca wrote:I grew up in Wales and somewhere along the way I learned that livestock should not hear the church bells (traditionally rung on Sundays, though some were every two weeks or monthly) twice from the same paddock.
So I wonder if these small enclosures were some form of rotational grazing?
Kenneth Elwell wrote:Tom Mann, something from growing up in New England in the U.S.A. is the prevalence of stone walls. I didn't notice mention of the berms containing stone, but stone fences around paddocks and pounds for livestock are quite common here, and field/property boundaries are lined with stones removed to make plowing or mowing possible. In the days before machinery, and even with draft animals, the distance one would consider moving stones would be as short as practical. And in the absence of stone or trees for windbreaks or fences, mounds might have sufficed, or reduced the materials needed.
Rick Alexander wrote:Great post! Love this kind of stuff. I strongly believe that ancient civilizations were much more advanced and sophisticated in terms of living in harmony with nature, and retained the notion that their very survival was contingent upon them stewarding and regenerating natural ecosystem.
I also believe they had a much deeper understanding of water itself, a knowledge that only began to resurface in modernity with people like Viktor Schauberger. The concept of living water, and looking at everything in nature as cycles.
In permacukture, we all know the concept of succession and how natural plant death can lead to conditions perfect for the growth of a different, possibly more desirable species.
The ancients used this knowledge accross every domain of life. Very impressive people's lived back then.
Jeff Lindsey wrote:Based on time frames, I'd doubt that it the result of plowing deformation because that much lockstep plowing would result in significant top soil loss.
Water retention, wind breaks, and mixed crop planting. One water hungry, wind shy crop in the hollow, one sun loving, probably nitrogen fixing crop on the slopes. Probably with some 3 sisters style synergy, based on the known caloric efficiency of Celtic horticulture. Also increases the surface area of the farmland, more plants in less room.
The ease of expansion of the farming grid and the boundary marking system also makes a lot of sense to me.
I doubt it was a case of just one reason.
Neat idea.
Thanks for brining it to our attention.
Tom Mann wrote:
Rick Alexander wrote:Great post! Love this kind of stuff. I strongly believe that ancient civilizations were much more advanced and sophisticated in terms of living in harmony with nature, and retained the notion that their very survival was contingent upon them stewarding and regenerating natural ecosystem.
I also believe they had a much deeper understanding of water itself, a knowledge that only began to resurface in modernity with people like Viktor Schauberger. The concept of living water, and looking at everything in nature as cycles.
In permacukture, we all know the concept of succession and how natural plant death can lead to conditions perfect for the growth of a different, possibly more desirable species.
The ancients used this knowledge accross every domain of life. Very impressive people's lived back then.
Thank you for brining up Victor Schrauberger here. One of the thoughts I had was wouldn't these fields be prone to flooding? Large swales are fixtures in every modern day pastures and fields given rain will cause flooding. But holistically managed grazers report standing water no longer being an issue, rather, the deep roots create storage for water underground and natural reservoirs filling up and swales becoming unnecessary.
I've often seen earth works in the permie-sphere used mainly in managing elevation in sloping land. But these Celtic fields are found throughout in low-lying/flat regions like the Netherlands. One might start to consider that managed correctly, earthworks in flat zones slow the flow of water stop run-off and perhaps have some type of energizing effect on water as it percolates into the earth like Victor Schrauberger talks about. Could a sloping/hedge in these pool-shaped fields paradoxically manage water better than merely flat surfaces? Draining into swales accelerates water velocity taking with it the top soil. The undulating land being sort of a energizing effect where water circulates throughout the ground/plant complex rather than laying stagnant after a large rain event or sloping away creating a knock-on effect on later cycles of plant growth.
I'm not quite following everything you say here, but it seems to me you have a mistaken idea of how swales work. Swales are rather shallow, and they slow down water rather than accelerate it. Another counterintuitive fact is that on almost flat ground, you'll get way more bang for your buck with swales: the same amount of construction effort (volume of earth moved) holds back many more liters of water.
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