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human waste: cheap, sanitary disposal?

 
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So currently I have a composting toilet that seperates poop and pee. I've been using pete moss for the poo and when the toilet fills us I empty it into 5 gallon buckets. The toilet has a 2.5 gallon tank to hold the pee. I've been pouring the pee out on the land, making sure to alternate different spots where I pour it on. Basically I made some trails and I pour the pee along the trails, it seems to really be making the plants grow much faster where I pour the pee along the trails.

I have a female that recently started to use this toilet, she has since had issues with urinary tract infections. I did some research and from what I can tell there is an 80% chance that her urine will contain ecoli while she has her urinary tract infection. I don't feel safe spreading that pee out on the land.

Can anyone help with some ideas on how I can fix this issue? I was thinking of digging a hole, putting a 55gallon plastic barrel with holes drilled in it in the ground and covering up the top with dirt (I want to keep this discreet and hidden) and attaching a pipe that goes to the surface and I will use the pipe to pour the pee down. Since there is no poo going into the hole I was thinking I don't really need leach beads or anything like that, I just need a quick, simple, sanitary solution so I'm trying to get creative.

Maybe there's an easier solution? Maybe I'm over thinking the whole thing, I guess I just need some help trying to figure it all out.

I also am not quite sure what to do with all the poo that I have in the 5 gallon buckets. I heard you need to let it sit for 2 years. I was going to again empty it into sealed 55 plastic barrels, this time above ground. I was going to design some way to agitate the poo every so often and after it's been in there for 2 years I was going to start putting it at the base of trees around the property for fertilizer. Does that sound like a good solution to the poo or is there another option that's out there?

I am open to any idea for the sewage, I just want to make sure it's cheap, sanitary, and it won't hurt the nature around the property.

Thanks for your help!!
 
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Seems like the easy thing would be to start a compost pile. Dump all the accumulated humanure buckets and urine together in a pile, cover with some mulch to keep flies away, and leave it. Turn it if you want it to finish quicker. Then when you are planting something permanent, use some of it, kept underground. If you aren't gardening or planting at all, just scatter it in the forest after it's been working for a year or two, while in the meantime you've started a new pile. To be safe for salad crops or root crops you will need to hot-compost it, which is a bit more involved, but for trees, perennials, stuff that will be cooked, just go ahead and use it as is. I've even dumped buckets directly into planting holes for new trees and shrubs. I would avoid dumping all the pee into one place to seep in....it's a waste of powerful fertilizer and you might set up a plume that could eventually reach groundwater. Just incorporate it into the humanure compost or trench it under the surface scattered around stuff that you won't be eating raw. You want roots, organic matter, and topsoil microbes to be able to get at it. Pathogens don't translocate into or through the vascular system of the plants.....they spread in water, on flies, and on hands for the most part. See Jenkins' "Humanure Handbook" for the long detailed overview.
 
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Maybe you're tackling the problem from the wrong end. Can you figure out what is triggering the urinary tract infections? I had a huge problem for several years and I found that switching from menstrual pads to a mooncup sorted them out completely. Cranberry juice (or whole dried cranberries) were excellent at sorting them out when they did strike, but avoiding them altogether is a better solution.
 
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With all deference to Alder's suggestion, you don't want a compost pile, but a hyphae pile. A pile of vegetation that is decomposing not by the action of thermophilic bacteria, but by mushroom mycelium. Paul Stamets has demonstrated that E. coli can be greatly reduced by passing it over an actively growing mycelial culture. The bacterial and fungal kingdoms are at war, and we humans can use one against the other: our first antibiotics came from cultures of a Penicillium fungus; antifungal drugs are derived from bacteria that have figured out how to suppress fungal growth.

Get yourself a good size pile of wood chippings (say from a local tree service) and then throw any mushrooms you can find on it and water it daily. Soon the pile will be teeming with hyphae and any poo you bury in it will be decomposed along with the bacterial problems it contains.
 
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I just got back from a PDC where there were 3 composting toilets (sawdust excrement and more sawdust layered in 5 gallon buckets), used by over 50 people. Each bucket was dumped into a simple 4 pallet straw lined "cage" and then covered with a generous layer of straw afterwards. We filled one pallet cage and just started another in 2 weeks. This will decompose for 1 year. (I believe the minimal temperature needs to be 160F) They encouraged everyone to urinate outside (170 acres) and most of us (even some women) did. I was amazed at how well it all worked based on the number of people using the system.
 
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Give her a shot of collidoil silver once a week. More if she has reoccurring UTIs.

If this is the first time she has used the silver, go light on the dose. Most people have so many bad germs built up in their system that they experience some flu-like symptoms the first week on taking it. If someone is real sick, their liver gets overloaded with cleaning out dead decaying germ bodies.

I had a diabetic in the family and it kept her UTI away.
 
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And oh, yeah, I hate those toilets.

We have a big SunMar, a Natures Head and a home made system.
The SunMar has fruit fly issues.
The Natures Head is constant work.
The home made system is easiest....but it also tends to have fruit flies.
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