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swimming upstream vs. the jetpack

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I remember a forum where I tried to ask about techniques for something without using herbicides. I would be shouted down by the majority for such crazy talk.

On the 80 acres I once owned, the majority of neighbors thought my ideas were crazy.

Cast iron, flea control, lawn care, light bulbs, hugelkultur, polyculture .... hundreds of things. I was like swimming upstream. It was really hard to grow when 95% of your effort is spent on defending your position. Even among friends. Especially when you are tying to solve a problem while keeping it all within your values.

Now, years later, I have clarified my position on so many things so thoroughly, this site has been a bit of a magnet for like minded folks. Now the ideas and work are moving forward much faster. And not only am I getting answers to my questions, but I'm learning all sorts of things
that I never knew I wanted to know.

And then there is the land. With 20 like minded folks. So when getting to a bump in the road, lots of strategies will be suggested, but nobody will suggest toxic gick.

A group of 20 similar voices instead of being the one alternative voice. I think velocity will seem more like wearing a jetpack rather than swimming upstream.

This is why I ask "have you listened to the podcasts?" I feel like somebody that has been thoroughly schooled in permaculture, but is not familiar with my stuff would be cause the jetpack to sputter. Conflict. Ramp time. People who have not listened to the podcasts would probably advocate consensus, using cardboard, transplanting, greenhouses, fixed animal shelters, rainwater catchment systems, importing woodchips/compost/manure, treated lumber, pond liners, growing crops in rows, OMRI approved sprays, eliminating lawn, rototilling, plastic mulches, no earthworks, etc.

I would rather share the land with three people that have listened to a majority of the podcasts, than with 50 people that have completed a PDC that have not listened to any of the podcasts.

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I know what you mean. I spend a little time at the city -data forum now and then. In the Garden and green living forums. I have mentioned permaculture and your name and it is amaizing how fast people put it all down. I have a feeling that there are many folks there who make a living spraying toxic gick and promote it as much as they can. Try to suggest a permies solution and they go nuts !

I think you will see great progress with people who are on the same page.
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SIMILAR, but NOT THE SAME. There is no learning or growth if everyone is the same.

You are looking for people that engage in open dialog and debate and apply discernment, not judgement.
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