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Would you rather have too many tomatoes or too many apples?

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While I love cider and applesauce... I would go with the tomatoes, because I could condense them down to lots of home-made ketchup and give them to friends and family.

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It is hard to put in text form, but I am pinching my fingers together mano a borsa style and shaking my hand at the screen. (Tomato Sauce is life.)

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Oh, this one is HARD!! Two of my favorite things to have in overabundance!
Way too many apples! I love me some tomatoes, but they're easier to get my hands on, in a shorter time. A tomato plant grows, and produces fruit in a matter of a few months - apples take years. And, apples can sit in storage, while I get other stuff done, so there would be less waste, than the poor tomatoes that would more likely rot before I could get them all processed or eaten.

Then again... I can process tomatoes faster... ugh

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Maters. Because, salsa.

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Apples. There is no such thing as too many tomatoes. :)

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Tomatoes for sure! There are soooo... many different dinners one can make with tomatoes. Salsa, spaghetti sauce, tomato paste for all sorts. Raw in salads, sandwiches, and burgers. Instant snack before dinner, when I just can't wait.

I just wish they'd grow better here on the Wet Coast where it really just doesn't get hot enough to keep them happy. I was looking at the Hoopy Khaki shelter today trying to figure out how I could put some tomato pots in there without using up their floor space. Hmmm... some sort of table maybe?

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I will need some clarification. How can one have too many of either?

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Jay Angler wrote:Tomatoes for sure! There are soooo... many different dinners one can make with tomatoes. Salsa, spaghetti sauce, tomato paste for all sorts. Raw in salads, sandwiches, and burgers. Instant snack before dinner, when I just can't wait.

I just wish they'd grow better here on the Wet Coast where it really just doesn't get hot enough to keep them happy. I was looking at the Hoopy Khaki shelter today trying to figure out how I could put some tomato pots in there without using up their floor space. Hmmm... some sort of table maybe?

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There is no such thing as "too many":
I will find a way to use it all. If not, I will give it away at the local pantry. I have quite a few apple trees and discovered that pasteurizing juice is easy. I like tomatoes too, although my tomatoes can be disappointing when they get the blight.
Lately, that has been too often. I need to figure out what's going on.

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Jim Garlits wrote:Get some grow lights and set up an operation in your basement. That’s legal there, right? 🤓

Highly inadvisable - our natural humidity is so high, the house ends up condemned due to serious mould issues.

I do start plants in the house, but as soon as they're able, they need to go outside.

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Apples!!! Cooked or raw or dried!!! Great for people and for critters!!

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Too many? I wish!

My apple trees haven't started fruiting yet, hopefully this year I'll get a few. I look forward to eating fresh Grannies and McIntosh, weekly pies during the season, making applesauce, apple butter, dried apple wedges for snacking and winter pies, nuggets for my oatmeal, cider, and juice, maybe even apple jelly, though I prefer berry jams. The insect chewed ones go to the chickens, goats, and pigs.

I've planted six varieties of tomato each of the past 4 springs, and last year finally got a decent harvest. Far from "too many" yet. Fresh Beefsteaks for slicing, sun dried with basil for crackers, Romas for spaghetti sauce, puree, pizza sauce, Better Girls and gold varieties for salads, tomato and veggie juices, Rutgers for ketchup, stewed tomatoes, salsa, and many other uses. Again, the nibbled tomatoes go to the livestock.

I just can't imagine what "too many" would be.

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I've never had that problem as I have a Harvest Right freeze dryer.
Now that I have chickens I don't even have scraps to throw away.

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I haven't had too much of either yet. Looking forward to the day I do!

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For my family, I'd rather have too many apples. I'd really like to see what too many apples would look like. My kids will eat as many as 3-5 apples a day- EACH- if they are available. I have five kids. Do the math. 😂

I usually buy 10-20 lbs a week depending on the prices. Currently my apple trees only produce enough for fresh eating and not enough for keeping. In 10-20 years, maybe then I'll have too many apples but hopefully there will be grandkids at that point to keep eating them.

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For me personally, I can only eat a couple apples a week or i start getting stomach aches but I can eat tomatoes and tomato based recipes and sauces every day so I'd pick too many tomatoes for myself.

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I have never had too many apples because I have never had an apple tree.

I have had too many tomatoes. Tomatoes may be a trigger for my gout so I tend to use those sparingly.

So I would have to say I would rather have too many apples.

Apple pie, apple juice, apple cider, etc ...

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Tomatoes

I don't mind apples and making few things from apples but I'm not crazy about them. Not far from me, apple trees are growing, this = free apples. No one pick'em except for me and my friend. Apples are big, sweet or sour. Good for juicing or baking.
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I get too many apples every year. I choose apples! Them and squash are big dietary staples for us. In my medium sized city many people put their unattractive, lumpy and bruised apples out in the street for people to help themselves. I keep a tote bag on me during apple season and take a handful from each box. I juice them in my steam juicer, then run the mash through my food mill and freeze the resulting applesauce. I use the sauce in one of my favorite breakfast porridges (1:1:1 applesauce:oats:hot leached acorn), as a base for fruit leather, for applesauce muffins, in cake recipes, cook it down for applebutter, and sometimes I add the odd bit to my sourdough. I also dry a bunch in 'rings' (not actually rings, just slices, I spit out the seeds as I eat them and the dog gets any tough/yucky bits). Tomatoes I love but prefer fresh and there's only so many I can grow here in my small garden. I have adjusted my pasta eating ways to mostly pestos and squash based sauces as that's what we have a lot of.

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Matt McSpadden wrote:Would you rather have too many tomatoes or too many apples?

I would personally rather too many tomatoes.
A fresh tomato sandwich, pasta sauce, salsa, even just cut up alone they are amazing.

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One year I had WAAAAY too many tomatoes, and then some. I had perhaps 20 full-size heirloom tomato plants that year.. Our first frost used to come early in October but not always. My habit was to begin bringing in tomatoes in September after Labor Day. I filled flat boxes with one or two layers of tomatoes. These flat boxes were spread all over the great room, living room – kitchen, which had lots of south facing windows, so, lots of sunlight.

I hung some plants by their roots in the garage for them to ripen. I picked green tomatoes so that they could ripen. The frost didn’t come and I had…….. I had a lot of tomatoes! they just sat around . I ate the ripe ones first and then as the green ones ripened I ate those. I began canning the juice from those tomatoes that have been picked green and ripened in the house. I remember it being late January, early February and I was still canning juice as the tomatoes ripened. I had that juice for YEARS! I noticed the juice did not have the wonderful flavor of vine, ripened tomatoes that I love. I figured fair enough, as they weren’t vine ripened tomatoes. I thought they still had all the health benefits of the lycopene and other gold pigments that are so good for us. I used that juice as soup base and drank it and put it in green smoothies that were brown. Red juice plus leafy greens equals brown.

In later years I have dried or frozen tomatoes in August when there are so many. The chickens eat the extras, after they turn their ripe color. Often I dry the frozen tomatoes during the winter, when adding warmth to the house is a good thing: Once dried, they can be pulverized into powder which is a handy thing to have around.🌞

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Apples, they keep better on their own, so less pressure to quickly process them.

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Ok, the poll is about preferences, but for some, preferences are shaped by needs as well as flavor.

Here’s a link to a website that compares apples and tomatoes nutritional content. There are several, I just chose this one and looked at it. The tomato data is not home grown peak season but an average of 12 months of tomatoes. So the numbers on tomato sugar content are definitely skewed, but a lot of vitamins and minerals are also listed.

Worth a look and way too long to paraphrase or copy and paste.

https://foodstruct.com/compare/apples-vs-tomatoes

MY Synopsis: tomatoes have more diverse nutrients, apples have more calories. And it’s only in overfed populations that calories are not an advantage. As some one noted apples keep “better”, and with less effort.

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Thekla McDaniels wrote:

MY Synopsis: tomatoes have more diverse nutrients, apples have more calories. And it’s only in overfed populations that calories are not an advantage. As some one noted apples keep “better”, and with less effort.

I'm pretty sure I read years ago that tomatoes were a major source of nutrition in North America.

Since I tend to run into blood sugar troubles, that skews my opinion. I can grab and eat a tomato out of hand and feel OK. If I do the same with an apple, I tend to spike and crash.

The link you provided, Thekla, confirms what my body tells me!

Yes, apples will store in just a cold cellar, but I find that they are major mouse attracters.

Yes, processing tomatoes into sauce and canning it is both more work and more energy than storing a bin of apples.

However, my family is generally not keen on meals that use sweet ingredients, whereas, tomato sauce or salsa, makes them happy.

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Apples make booze…

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Can I have both?

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Sorry Ralph, this is part of a "Would You Rather" game I started :), you have to pick one or the other.

Check out some of our other questions. https://permies.com/t/238000/Permaculture-Edition is kind of the index. Jay has been nice enough to link to most, though I am behind in sending links. You can also just search at the top for "Would You Rather" and you will find all of the questions :)

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Tomatoes. Apples are a itch to process and I am too v lazy of a gardener to manage even my one apple tree properly.

But I eat tomatoes in everything. Sauces soup ketchup flavoring for things, sub dried etc etc f

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Since I can't eat nightshades it's apples. Apples stand in calorie-wise for potatoes, another beloved crop I suffer from eating. Fortunately this far north apples grow everywhere for the gleaning. Hmm, there's a thought. Could I come up with a "salsa" made with apples? Whoops, Sorry, off topic. I miss salsa

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leigh gates wrote:Since I can't eat nightshades it's apples. Apples stand in calorie-wise for potatoes, another beloved crop I suffer from eating. Fortunately this far north apples grow everywhere for the gleaning. Hmm, there's a thought. Could I come up with a "salsa" made with apples? Whoops, Sorry, off topic. I miss salsa

Found this
https://nourishingmeals.com/2012/08/nightshade-free-salsa

And that one by : " The Honest Spoonful

Apple Salsa - 2 servings
A fresh Apple Salsa made with cucumbers, shallots, cilantro and apple vinegar that makes a great appetizer. Its also great as a topping for grilled chicken. This recipe is allergy friendly (gluten, dairy, shellfish, nut, egg, and soy free) and more

Ingredients:

Produce
• 1 2 cup cucumbers (about 1/2
• 1 cup Apples
• 1/4 cup Cilantro, loosely packed
• 1/4 cup Shallots

end of this recipe"

Baking & Spices:

• 1/4 to taste tsp Salt
Oils & Vinegars
• 2 tbsp Apple vinegar

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Bex Cellabee wrote:Tomatoes. Apples are a itch to process and I am too v lazy of a gardener to manage even my one apple tree properly.

But I eat tomatoes in everything. Sauces soup ketchup flavoring for things, sub dried etc etc f

I have 5 gnarly old apple trees, never sprayed that produce the most wonderful green & red apples. 🍏🍎🍏🍎🍏🍎

I do declare I agree that they are no fun to process but I do love my no-sugar-ever cinnamon applesauce, raspberry applesauce & dried apples! They make great gifts!
So although my hands ache after batch after batch of peeling, paring & cutting apples….I’d take an abundance of them over tomatoes!

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Tomatoes!

Cherry tomatoes are so prolific they produce way more than I can eat. In the hot summer days, I give my chickens 1-2 pounds a day. I feeeze bags of them to feed them through the winter too. In the rigid cold days while the water buckets get frozen in minutes, I give them thawed cherry tomatoes so the chickens can get enough hydration quickly.

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I have yet to find what is too many for either, like many people they all get used. If I had to pick, which I won’t, I would say tomatoes - they make so many meals. Apples are extras for us - sauce, pie, chutney, dried - not the main meal but the happy extras.

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Tomatoes. Because we can make tomato sauce with them for lots of speghetti, lasagna, manicotti! Plus other things have tomatoes in them too, salad, burgers, tacos, etc.

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Apples. They can be stored for fresh eating, especially with the late fall/winter varieties. We solar dry apple "chunks" or slices, about a bushel at a time (older batches from prior years get "downgraded" to chicken feed next time there is an abundant crop). Then there's cider. A few gallons of cider are set aside each year to make vinegar. Several gallons are "canned" in half gallon jars. This past year we had 55 gallons of extra cider and we boiled that down on our sauna woodstove into 55 pints of cider syrup. Plus we sold about 20 gallons of vinegar and a few gallons of fresh cider and some fresh apples as well. We also had an over abundance of tomatoes this past year and traded 100+ pounds for 20 pounds of blueberries. Tomatoes need processing right away so we eat, dry, can and barter quickly. On kitchen staple crops like both of these we no longer put up just enough for the year, but rather do about twice as much as who knows what the next season will bring.

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APPLES! I've experienced this and I had a great time making pies, apple sauce, juice, eating fresh apples, giving extra to neighbours...and the really bruised/buggy ones are great as a deer lure or to feed animals. Not to mention that lots of apple varieties store well for MONTHS without canning/freezing. I've eaten fresh apples well into January!

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Saffron Bacchus wrote:APPLES! I've eaten fresh apples well into January!

I am eating fresh apples from local harvest NOW in March. It’s an incredible variety. “Evercrisp”. I bought a bag in September, and because I wanted a few of my friends to experience them, after storage in no particular conditions….

They were in an ambient temperature storage unit, with a metal door on the south side…, nothing special type storage. Now,6 months later the flavor and texture are just what I want. The exterior shows the age, they are just a little wrinkly and soft, but as I said eating them is ideal.

In order to grow them, you have to be a member of the midwest apple improvement association. Dues are 100 $ per year, and there are per tree licensing fees, and that’s in addition to buying the individual trees, and that’s if you can find them. BUT if you’re looking for a cash crop apple, this one has potential, and they have a few other hybrids they’re developing.

Sorry for the brief off topic meander, just thought this might be good information for some of the folks on this thread!

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