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Explain the different kinds of wheat please!

 
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Hi all,
I am interested in getting a small wheat plot together, for the purpose of having my own grain source. I will use about half for grinding and making flour, and the other half for livestock feeds (mostly chickens)

I am interested in basically any recommendations you may have, and any knowledge you have. There are so many varieties. What are their merits and demerits?

Durum
Hard Red
Hard White
Einkorn
Emmer
Bulgar

Others? What is the difference? What have you grown? What have you milled, eaten, etc... What are they good for, not good for?

Thanks


 
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I grow lots of a varieties of wheat. I don't distinguish between them based on things like hard/soft or white/red. I can't tell that it makes any difference in the kitchen. My breads, cakes, and pancakes are "country breads". By that I mean that they are simple, and are welcome to have different properties from day to day. I don't value the uniformity that a commercial bakery might desire.

The people that cook with Emmer rave about it's good flavor.

Because I am planting, weeding, harvesting, threshing, and cleaning by hand. I recommend plants that are about waist high. Taller plants out-compete weeds better, and are easier to harvest without stooping. I recommend only growing hulless grains. That makes them easy to thresh. I am not a fan of Einkorn, because I cannot thresh it with the tools that are available to me.

Wheats that are planted in the fall, get an earlier start in the spring, are more productive, and earlier to harvest than spring planted wheats. Some types of wheat are not winter hardy at my place.

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There's a good discussion of the different types of wheats and their different uses here:  https://dontwastethecrumbs.com/the-different-types-of-wheat-and-what-theyre-used-for/

One exception left out in the link to my knowledge is durum, which is the pasta/noodle wheat.  Good luck!
 
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Bulgur is a preparation--the wheat berries are soaked, parboiled, and dried, to create a quick-cooking (or soak-and-no-cook) staple grain.
Emmer, Einkorn, Farro, Durham are all different species from modern wheat, with different genetic make-up, and have tenacious hulls that are hard to remove. Einkorn and Emmer have been grown for 9000 years in the Fertile Crescent. They are highly nutritious, and some people with wheat allergies (though not people who are celiac) can eat them.However, the tight hulls make the nutrients kind of moot on the homestead level, because if you can't process it into edible form, you aren't going to eat it.

Bread Wheat (often called Modern Wheat) dates back "only" 4000 years. It is all Triticum aestivum, and is hulless. Spelt is of similar age, but has tight, hard-to-remove hulls and a different type of gluten. Several heritage varieties of wheat have survived the Green Revolution and are commercially available, if you are willing to search for small seed companies and non-profit seed preservation groups. Red Fife and Turkey Red, for example, are both modern names for very old wheats from Eastern Europe, brought to the US by Russian Mennonite farmers from Georgia and Ukraine. A great resource for finding out about heritage wheat, with many inspiring stories, and recipes, is Eli Rogosa's book Restoring Heritage Grains, published by Chelsea Green, and available directly from them.

Most wheat varieties have  either a deep red-brown kernel (red wheats) or a "white" kernel (actually golden brown) when mature. The White wheats are whole grains just like the red wheats, they just have a different coloration. Usually, but not always, the red wheats have higher gluten content, which makes yeast bread rise higher. They often have special adaptations--for example, White Sonoran wheat is so drought-tolerant that it enabled Arizona and California to produce wheat through much of the 19th century both for local use and for export back east. Recently, artisanal bakers have developed recipes for specific heritage varieties, so that you can make great breads from either color of wheat. Older wheats often produce flour with a more golden color, which increases the flavor we perceive as "buttery" as well as the nutrition.

A few heritage wheat varieties that are  available online are Red Fife, Turkey Red, Ethiopian Blue-Tinge, Maris Wigeon, Banatka, and White Sonoran. Vendors I know of who carry some of these heritage varieties are Quail Seeds, Adaptive Seeds, Wood Prairie Seeds, and Victory seeds. After the 1950's wheat was mostly dwarfed as part of the Green Revolution strategy of high inputs and high yield. Many of these recent wheats have good disease resistance and sprout easily, but the short stature makes them very vulnerable to weed pressure. (The idea was that you would use herbicides.) Traditionally, grains were valued for their stems (straw), leaves (hay) and large vigorous root systems rather than just their grain. Heritage wheats are not only taller above ground but have larger root systems below ground, making them able to find nutrients and water more effectively. The taller tops not only yield valuable straw for livestock, thatching, and composting, but shade out weeds.

Sometimes you can find heritage grains available as grain or berries for cooking. These usually sprout and grow. One such is Kamut, or Khorasan Wheat, a true ancient grain that is also free-threshing. The Quinn family in Canada has trademarked the Kamut name to prevent people crossing and diluting the ancient genetics. Their grain is all produced on organic farms, and tested for high protein and mineral content. In my experience, the Kamut berries sold for eating are mature and viable for seed as well. The grains are larger than other wheats, and have a sweet, buttery flavor, like many heritage wheats. Khorasan wheat is considered a soft wheat type, better for biscuits, quickbreads, pilaf, pastry, and pasta than for yeast bread.

Grains that have tight hulls, such as oats or spelt, are often cracked int he process of de-hulling, so that grain sold as food usually doesn't work for seed. But without mechanical de-hullers, you wouldn't want to grow them anyway.

There are a few varieties of barley and oats that are naturally hulless. You can sometimes find these for sale at the above companies, or at KUSA, a non-profit devoted to preserving ancient grains. I notice that Fedco seeds has Burbank Hulless barley this year.

Last, I'd like to  say a word about spring and fall wheats, and about planting times. Winter wheats need to go through winter before sending up seed stalks. They are usually planted from a month before the last frost date to a little bit after. Spring wheats are planted as soon as the ground can be worked in spring--that is February on much of the west coast, and March or April elsewhere. Both need cool weather for growth, and will form seedheads around summer solstice. Older wheats, both the really ancient ones like einkorn and the more modern hulless heritage wheats, are often facultative, meaning that they can adapt to either planting time, spring or fall. If you see the same variety referred to as spring-planted and as fall-planted, chances are it is facultative. Most of the ancient, hulless wheats are facultative, or at least somewhat adaptable in planting time. For more on this, see Eli Rogosa's book, Restoring Heritage Grains. She lived in Palestine among traditional farmers, both Arab and Israeli, and was able to gather and grow some of the ancient wheats that have survived from Biblical times. She now lives in New England, where she runs the Heritage Grain Conservancy and grows ancient wheats from Eastern Europe.
 
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I've just learned that we used to bake breads with triticum durum, a species considered worth only for pasta due to it's low gluten content.
My pa loved that bread but he founds it nowhere anymore. I learned this, and purchased some wheat from a miller that still has it. It hasn't arrived yet, and I am eager to know how the bread tasted here before.

The recipe for 1kg is this:

Starter:
90g F + 60 g W + spoon of sourdough
Wait 8 h (until it bubbles)

Dough:
150g starter + 900g F + 60-66% W + 18g salt
Wait 15 minutes. Dough should be slightly sticky, otherwise add water.
Work the dough for 2 minutes + 5 waiting, three times.
Wait 2 h
Form a ball, wait 10 minutes.
Divide it in two balls, but keep them connected, like an hourglass. Place one ball over the other.
Wait 2h

Bread:
Bake it 10 minutes with humidity and 50 minutes dry at 240ºC
Let it cool for 24 h (use a paper bag in humid locations).

It was usually baked in olive wood ovens, with some aromatic woods (brooms) added for extra flavour.
 
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Interesting thread!

Regarding the initial question:
If the poster has very poor soil and rather harsh conditions, spelt is worth a try. However, similar to what John Lofthouse said about Emmer it is apparently difficult to thresh (it gets dehulled in the mill).

Spelt is the traditional grain of southern Germany (especially a region called "Siberia of Baden"). It can grow on very poor soils and was primarily used for baking. If the soil is too fertile the stems grow too long and the plant topples over. The grain (Dinkel) has even given its name to some towns like Dinkelsbühl .

Spelt flour has become very popular for home cooks and bakers and you can get different varieties even in small supermarkets.
I buy the whole kernels of half-mature, roasted spelt (Gruenkern) in the zero waste shop, and you can buy a variety of mature spelt to cook like rice . The Grünkern is considered a "presidio" (item) of the Slow Food movement.
 
 
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Last week we had a opinion poll on the popular crops for homesteaders. Wheat came in, um, well, next to last. But, here's a lovely infographic on wheat! Maybe if we do another poll, it'll finish higher (and don't forget, we have a Garden Master Course Kickstarter going on now You can back it here Garden Master Course!!



 
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