Adam Klaus wrote:
The poverty line is not such a bleak place, when you live on a farm and eat like a king.
M Foti wrote:We have been very hesitant as to who we bring on board and how deeply we get involved. We may be a little more open to that once we actually start earning something worth mentioning. Most of our friends aren't as "driven" as we are, so that is part of why we are hesitant to bring anyone on board.
Andy Reed wrote:Is anyone here making money from permaculture? It's a good question, because permaculture sounds like a great way forward, but if I give up my day job can we still afford to go to the dentist, how are we going to make sure the kids have warm clothes in winter etc.?
As I see it the income streams come from training, courses and tours in a purely permaculture sense. Other income streams could easily not be called permaculture, they could be organic farming, orchards, livestock. Which are fairly standard business models.
The organic dairy farmer next door who practices rotational grazing etc. is making big bucks, but not from permaculture.
I used to wonder how to make money from permaculture, but I don't think it's the correct question. A better question would be how to make money while applying permaculture principals. Which is actually a lot easier. Permaculture theory is a set of principals, permaculture practical is a mish mash of ancient farming techniques which are reasonably sustainable. Permaculture definition varies depending on whom you are talking to.
If you want to orchard permaculture style, build swales, plant on contour, incorporate various other beneficial plants, stack layers to maximise production, easy. If you want to farm livestock, rotationally graze etc. If you are selling produce off your farm though, you are removing the nutrients and they will have to be replaced, unless you plan on mining your soil for minerals until not even dynamic accumulators can find any. So you are still going to have to replace those nutrients.
I'm not making money from permaculture, but I'm looking forward to when I can run my own profitable farm while applying permaculture principals.
David Livingston wrote:I like the idea of reducing our out going and our expectations . On another thread someone said he wanted and expected all permies to achieve lower middle class life style and that was his aim. Its not mine . I am lowering my expectations keeping out of debt and reducing my needs . Thus I will be in profit I prophet
Manfred Eidelloth wrote:There average price for farmland here in Bavaria in 2012 was 31.800 Euro / hectare.
Manfred Eidelloth wrote:This farm generates an average yearly profit of 62.900 Euro.
Manfred Eidelloth wrote:The first post of this thread addresses government payments:
If you live in a country with government payments for farming, be it some kind of crop insurance, compensation payments, conservation payments, investment assistance etc. this payments have huge impact on the prices for farmland and on the product prices.
Therefore find and take any such money you can find as long as the restrictions linked to it do not stop you from your own plans. Your competitors do it and you will not be able to keep up if you do not collect the money they do.
Manfred Eidelloth wrote:What Joel does depends on a large input of bought, conventionally grown grain to feed the chicken in pigs.
Manfred Eidelloth wrote:Vertical integration cannot be accentuated enough. An authorized kitchen for processing your produce can generate far more return on investment then buying more land.
Manfred Eidelloth wrote:Conservationists are the biggest threat for permaculture activities around here, as their regulations make any kind of improvement (like building ponds) very expensive and they are reducing the market value of your real estate more and more the further your permaculture transition goes.
This also is the reason why no land owner here will let you devolop a agroforestry on land leased from him.
I bought it back in the 1980's
Permaculture is not expensive.
Andy Reed wrote:Needless to say, it isn't the 80's anymore. Wages have gone nowhere since the 70's and land prices have gone up up up.
Andy Reed wrote:
Permaculture is not expensive.
Tell that to Paul Wheaton, who is money grubbing, and will continue to money grub, because it takes a lot of money.
Andy Reed wrote:Imagine you were starting out, in my area decent bit of land costs around $400k, without a house or livestock.
And as you know: People with a mission tend do make economically unreasonable decisions.
Be extraordinary. Make choices that lift you up.
That is rather insulting.