• Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
permaculture forums growies critters building homesteading energy monies kitchen purity ungarbage community wilderness fiber arts art permaculture artisans regional education skip experiences global resources cider press projects digital market permies.com pie forums private forums all forums
this forum made possible by our volunteer staff, including ...
master stewards:
  • Nicole Alderman
  • Anne Miller
  • Mike Haasl
  • Pearl Sutton
  • paul wheaton
stewards:
  • r ranson
  • Burra Maluca
  • Joseph Lofthouse
master gardeners:
  • jordan barton
  • Leigh Tate
  • Carla Burke
gardeners:
  • Greg Martin
  • Jay Angler
  • John F Dean

Wastewater Pond thoughts anyone?

 
Posts: 54
7
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Hi,

I'm hoping to find a solution that will pass the septic-centric building code standards.

I've heard of wastewater, wetlands used for small commercial projects. I understand this project would need to be engineered, as does septic.

I'm thinking the system might start with a composting and or incinerator toilet system and then move to the pond. Likely a duel anaerobic.aerobic design.

How large might a pond like this need to be to support 2-4 people year-round in a cold climate?

Any thoughts, ideas, or experience?

Thanks in advance!
 
pollinator
Posts: 1305
Location: Canadian Prairies - Zone 3b
340
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Watching this thread with great interest.
 
pollinator
Posts: 3125
Location: Massachusetts, Zone:6/7, AHS:4, Rainfall:48in even Soil:SandyLoam pH6 Flat
340
2
forest garden solar
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
So it sounds like you want to dump the laundry + shower + basin + kitchen sink water into a pond, about 80gallons per day per person. And how to neutralize the waste
Lets list the things that need to be neutralized:
-Grease
-Food Particles
-Clothes Particles
-Particles in Mop bucket
-Hair
-Pathogenic Bacteria  
-Nitrates
-Phosphates
-Bleach
-Chemicals

1) I would start out with a filter to trap the big particles like food, hair, clothes, etc
2) Next I would are a matrix to host good microbes, maybe add some kefir good microbes or worm tea once a day.
3) Next I would add some mushrooms/plants to use up all of the excess nitrates, phosphates, oils/grease, etc
4) I would add a buffer than can react with/absorb/inactivate the chemicals
5) I would increase the oxygen levels in the system/water.

I would create an indoor system to pre-treat the water as much as possible (think earthship with there indoor 12ft-50ft hydroponic planter box)
Then once the "clean" water finally makes it to the cold and dormant outside it is already "clean"

Now there are some things that you can do to help reduce the load on the system:
-Less chemicals by making your own soaps with only 3 ingredients (8part oil, 3part water, 1part lye)
-Less chemicals by using vinegar as much as possible
-Less particulates by scraping out your dirty plates and pots really good before you start washing it
-Less particulates by emptying your pants pocket
-Less grease by not pouring your grease/oil/fats into the sink

So my indoor setup would be
1) Flood and drain filter
2) Mulch+Mushroom Flood and drain filter
3) Aerobic Aquarium tank with bubbler
4) Algae Aquarium Tank
5) Post Filter
Note (I think some red wriggles should be somewhere in this system)
 
Posts: 947
30
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
there is a display functional wastewater pond or at least there used to be at university of Florida Gainesville might be a good place to get a proven plan
 
S Bengi
pollinator
Posts: 3125
Location: Massachusetts, Zone:6/7, AHS:4, Rainfall:48in even Soil:SandyLoam pH6 Flat
340
2
forest garden solar
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
These guys offer an approved package (HOOT ANR), that you can just use out of the box, or at least use for inspiration.



https://hootsystems.com/wp-content/uploads/ANR-450-6.21.16.pdf
 
Andy John
Posts: 54
7
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

S Bengi wrote:
I would create an indoor system to pre-treat the water as much as possible (think earthship with there indoor 12ft-50ft hydroponic planter box)
Then once the "clean" water finally makes it to the cold and dormant outside it is already "clean"



Thanks for the thorough list, and Oh yeah - Earthship greywater systems, a perfect place to start researching...
 
God is a comedian playing for an audience that is afraid to laugh - Voltair. tiny ad:
19 skiddable structures microdoc - now FREE for a while
https://permies.com/t/138333/skiddable-structures-microdoc-FREE
reply
    Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic