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poor man's poll: would you support a kickstarter for a SKIP book?

 
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We are thinking that once we have all of the badges defined, we will take the existing PEP book draft, rename it to SKIP and bring the book up to first class status.   And then put it out there as an official book - complete with a kickstarter.   Much like the Shawn and i did for the better world book.  

Please click on the thumbs up for this post if you would support such a kickstarter.  

 
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Click the thumbs up for this post if you want to get a dozen books for all sorts of people.
 
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Click the thumbs up for this post if you would support such a kickstarter for a buck (or two) to be supporting, but not to get the book.
 
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Click the thumbs up for this post if you would be NOT supporting - nothing about such a kickstarter is your thing.
 
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Click the thumbs up for this post if you might support at a huge level .... to get your name in the book or something like that.
 
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Click the thumbs up for this post if you would support the kickstarter ONLY if there is a fat publicity package that will be part of the kickstarter.  Thus infecting millions of brains with this idea.

 
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Click the thumbs up for this post if you like pie.   Maybe huckleberry pie.  Maybe banana cream pie.  Maybe pizza pie.  
 
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Maybe i need more of an explanation of what this entails.
I imagine having a pep book which shows all of the badges and what you need to do to prove each. Is this essentially what this book would be? a reference for people who do not want to look it up online?

I am trying to understand your goal behind making this into a SKIP book. So i can better answer your thumbs up poor mans poll.

thanks paul
 
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The current thought is that there will be 22 chapters, each listing off the badges, plus 8 more chapters covering stuff like Otis, LIC, FAQ, general structure, getting certified, PEX, etc.

And there might be some in there about PEA.  

 
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Would it have instructions on how to do the badge bits? I imagine a book with instructions on how to make all that beautiful roundwood furniture, build a wofati etc would be very helpful, especially if it had drawings included.
 
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Kate Downham wrote:Would it have instructions on how to do the badge bits? I imagine a book with instructions on how to make all that beautiful roundwood furniture, build a wofati etc would be very helpful, especially if it had drawings included.



I've been wondering if it might be an opportunity for a companion booklet produced by members of the community who already have the badges.

I'm toying with the idea of making a little ebook that would have more detailed instructions on how to do the tasks for the straw textile badge.  So instructions on how to make twine.  a pattern for the knitted/crochet part and some basic instructions on how to knit/crochet.  This wouldn't be the only way to get the badge, but an easy starter guide for people who want more guidance.  I could see teaming up with someone to make this ebook.

Then, if Paul likes, the ebook could be tossed in as a stretch goal for Paul's kickstarter and then available for sale on permies after.  
 
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I think there would be a tiny bit of info on doing the BBs.  But the full "how to" would fill 20 books.
 
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Kate Downham wrote:Would it have instructions on how to do the badge bits? I imagine a book with instructions on how to make all that beautiful roundwood furniture, build a wofati etc would be very helpful, especially if it had drawings included.



What if, instead of including lots of instructions, diagrams, etc. IN the book, there were LINKS to appropriate supportive threads in Permies? Maybe even some of those were premium links?
Thus, many of us could contribute - wiki style??!! - to building a fantastic data repository of all things Permies skilled, but not have a monster book.

Added benefit of more eyeballs on the forums (and / or wiki)....
 
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I think it would be critical to either include full instructions or links to them and examples.  A person would read this book with the idea that there are people out there wanting to pass along land to someone who knows how to manage it as proven by completing there badges. But if a person isn’t already familiar with what to do they could be left lacking the knowledge.

I’d also focus attention on the idea that there are people out there looking for a steward to inherit land to prevent it from becoming more suburbs- where does a person find these people and is there evidence that more than a few anecdotal people are there? That kind of info, so the reader then has the mindset of proving to those land owners that this stranger is worthy of being given the land instead of their children. Also what legal challenges you may face as the children take you to court expecting their parents were conned into changing their will and all that.
 
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I'd be keen to see instructions/diagrams for some things in book/ebook format rather than links. I can imagine full instructions would fill many books. I like R's idea of there being additional ebooks as stretch goals.
 
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I think Conrad Farmer's wiki suggestion would allow fluid expansion of ideas and easy editing to stay current.  Especially important during this time when new and old are dynamically combining to pave way for the future.  Hard copy books can become outdated so fast.   Infect search engines.  With feedback and druthers addressed over time, build a book from the wiki into a timeless version (as much as might be), then print that into hard copy.  Purchase of that hard copy could give access to the most current version on the wiki for future reference.
 
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I would be very careful doing your market research on this one, from what I have seen on the PEP program it is only applicable to people in a very narrow geographical area which really limits the audience for a static book.

Also many other countries (including mine) do not allow such land transfers (legally possible but you will be hit with tax at approximately 48% of market value). So selling it as a means to get land will totally stop sales in those places.
 
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I like the idea. If you have the badges defined well, parents could use this to help there kids get skills. I have a cousin leading to wield and I think a SKIP book would help him out. To me having a book would help me alot.
 
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from all the comments, the overall theme seems to be that this book would be useful and desired, especially if there was clear information about how to attain all the badges with links to further reading

along with information about how to apply this information towards actually applying it in the real world
 
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Jennifer slapped me in the face yesterday with some cold, hard, cruel math ....  

For a kickstarter, all of the funds must be spent by december 31.  So all of the books must be shipped by december 31.  All of them.  

Skipping a huge amount of mathy details ....    The kickstarter MUST start no later than September 1.  

Therefore, PEP and PEA must be 100% defined by August 1.  That gives us June and July to finish defining PEP and PEA.  

I know that I am meeting twice a week to work on PEP with Mike, Ashley and Ash.  And Jen is helping me get the rewards from the last kickstarter done (the hugelkultur book and the fallacy book).

I think that if six people popped in right now and helped us for these two months at 20 hours per week, I think we could get the book out this year.   Otherwise it has to wait until January.  

Yes, this would be six volunteers.   A lot of work.   Zero pay.   And just a warm feeling that you contributed to something.   And we can praise you in the acknowledgments!  And maybe send you some books and other goodies?  

If you wanna give up two months of your life in this way, please reply to this thread.
 
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i possibly would help — what kind of work would it entail exactly?

feel free to email or text/call as well if that's preferred

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https://permies.com/t/98467/create-BB-wiki-pages-PEP
 
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Could book kickstarters include an option for ebooks? For those who live outside the US, paper books work out to cost more for shipping than for the book.

I like the idea of rather than making it a huge "how-to" encyclopedia, providing a small amount of information on what is needed, and linking to a "how-to" wiki for the practical details, supplemented with Raven's idea of additional instruction ebooks. A nice way to have more passive income flow through to group members with specific skillsets.  Ebooks allow for quick updates and lots of hyperlinks. Draft to Digital https://www.draft2digital.com/ is a useful distributor to easily get ebooks into libraries and for sale on a range of retail platforms.

Also, setting aside the SKiP issue which is problematic in countries with big taxes on gifts or inheritances over a certain value (much of Europe), this could be marketed as a mastery project, for personal satisfaction as much as for personal gain.
 
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here is what we did for our last book https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/paulwheaton/better-world-book
 
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Jane Mulberry wrote:... this could be marketed as a mastery project, for personal satisfaction as much as for personal gain.



Personally this makes much more sense to me than promoting it as a way to inherit property from some imagined person.  I feel like for many the inheriting thing just sounds like a scam of some sort (even if you really do know people who are looking for worthy folks to pass their property onto).  The presented goal for doing this feels unreal if not unethical to the land owners traditional heirs and thus will put a lot of people off.  On the other hand learning all these skills to better yourself, increase your practical knowledge, and be better able to manage your own home ( or future homestead) feels like a more broadly acceptable goal for most, and more attainable.  The whole bit about earning "merit badges" is genius as a way to help motivate us to take part and progress.  It's a series of little rewards spreading warm fuzzies to propel us along.

In terms of the book I feel like for it to have interest or worth to a wider audience it needs something more than just lists of the BB's and requirements.  Some example instructional material would be good though I realize covering how to do everything is a huge unwieldy book.  Some inspirational sharing of what others have already done would be good too to help people envision what can happen and inspire them to do the same.
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