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"Hundreds of years from now it will not matter what my bank account was, the sort of house I lived in or the type of car I drove... But the world may be different because I did something so bafflingly crazy that it becomes a tourist destination"
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Western Montana gardener and botanist in zone 6a according to 2012 zone update.
Gardening on lakebed sediments with 7 inch silty clay loam topsoil, 7 inch clay accumulation layer underneath, have added sand in places.
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I guess I was thinking if one piece of pollen from one plant hit the pistil of another flower that the entire fruit would have the same hybrid seeds inside it.
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"Hundreds of years from now it will not matter what my bank account was, the sort of house I lived in or the type of car I drove... But the world may be different because I did something so bafflingly crazy that it becomes a tourist destination"
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Mike Jay wrote:
So to get a deliberate F1 hybrid (sun gold tomato?), how do they control it to get a reliable child? Is it just because tomatoes are even more inbred and consistent?
“The most important decision we make is whether we believe we live in a friendly or hostile universe.”― Albert Einstein
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Mike Jay wrote:Thanks for all the replies. So even if only 7 pieces of pollen landed on the female flower, all 500 seeds in that fruit will contain a wild variety of combinations, partially from the 7 different fathers but also because the genetic diversity of even inbred squash lines becomes chaotic when they cross pollinate.
So to get a deliberate F1 hybrid (sun gold tomato?), how do they control it to get a reliable child? Is it just because tomatoes are even more inbred and consistent?
Western Montana gardener and botanist in zone 6a according to 2012 zone update.
Gardening on lakebed sediments with 7 inch silty clay loam topsoil, 7 inch clay accumulation layer underneath, have added sand in places.
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"Hundreds of years from now it will not matter what my bank account was, the sort of house I lived in or the type of car I drove... But the world may be different because I did something so bafflingly crazy that it becomes a tourist destination"
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"Hundreds of years from now it will not matter what my bank account was, the sort of house I lived in or the type of car I drove... But the world may be different because I did something so bafflingly crazy that it becomes a tourist destination"
I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but, I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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Mandrake...takes on and holds the influence
of the devil more than other herbs because of its similarity
to a human. Whence, also, a person’s desires, whether good
or evil, are stirred up through it...
-Hildegard of Bingen, Physica
Jerry Davis wrote:Plants are weird. No 2 seeds seem to produce the same plant as the parent. Even if they look alike, analyzing the nutritional qualities of the seeds, for instance, will show they vary from each other.
I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but, I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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One pollen grain produces exactly one seed. If 7 grains of pollen land on a flower, you can get at most 7 seeds. To get 500 seeds, at least 500 pollen grains need to land on the flower, and they can have as many different daddies as the bees have been visiting.
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Jeremiah Squingelli wrote:
One pollen grain produces exactly one seed. If 7 grains of pollen land on a flower, you can get at most 7 seeds. To get 500 seeds, at least 500 pollen grains need to land on the flower, and they can have as many different daddies as the bees have been visiting.
Does this mean that if I collected pollen from multiple different heirloom tomatoes and applied it to the same emasculated flower, the seeds in the resulting tomato would be a mix of all of them? As in, rather than doing a bunch of different 1-1 crosses, I could just have one big tomato bukkake and have, most likely, a few seeds of each cross within one fruit.
Am I correct?
I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but, I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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You can see with only one eye open, but you'll probably run into things and stub your toe. The big picture matters.
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World Tomato Society ambassador
Western Montana gardener and botanist in zone 6a according to 2012 zone update.
Gardening on lakebed sediments with 7 inch silty clay loam topsoil, 7 inch clay accumulation layer underneath, have added sand in places.
