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What a terrific thread. I thought we were some of the few weirdos looking at the potential for future issues surrounding injury, illness, or aging.

Lorrine Anderson wrote, "IF I had an inkling of what was coming, I likely could have got everything used, refurbished or on sale. So, it might be worth keeping these mobility aids in mind, picking them up when cheap or free... "

This is exactly why we are preparing now. I wish I could say we have been able to address as much as Lorinne earlier in this thread. However, we live in a 130 year old Victorian house that was originally built without plumbing It was added a few years later. All doorways are not the same size. Electricity was added after it was built as well.

S Greyzoll wrote, "The great thing about planning ahead for possible obstacles is that they also prepare you for plain old aging as well. "

Being invincible doesn't seem like it was that long ago. ;)

My SO works at a cancer center and we've seen entire lives change in a half-hour visit. Believing that you prepare BEFORE you have a need runs deep thanks to my late grandparents who weathered the great depression. First aid is a good example. If we do it right, we are prepared for problems but on the other hand, hope we will never use any of it. I also operate on the old adage, "One is none and two is one."

So, little by little we are reading up on caregiver sites, and trying to lay in stuff like shower chairs, a walker or two, etc. About a month or so ago we got a hospital bed from a friend. It was brand new, still in packaging. We are thrilled. It wasn't that long ago that I'd find how much we are thrilled about that to be odd. We got a brand new in box shower transfer bench for $5 a few weeks ago. Where's that dancing emoji?

Unfortunately, the house has stairs everywhere. We are somewhat concerned and maybe one day when we can afford deck rebuilds, we can address partially.

We added additional CO and smoke monitors while wholesale replacing those that came with the house. We stocked a large fleet of fire extinguishers as well.

I go through the Wilderness First Aid certification every three years as well as keeping up my First Aid/CPR/AED. I plan on going through the Red Cross series whenever Covid subsides.

We replaced toilet seats with the no-slam variety both for easy use, but also because someone dropped the older/heavier lid and it broke the bowl of a toilet.

We put in anchored shower grab bars not only in all bathrooms but also on each side of the cellar steps, and I'm considering whether we should do more.

On the future list is one of those toilet support things that looks like a walker made stationary and allows support while accessing or leaving the toilet.

That all terrain 'rollator' mentioned by Lorrine sounds like a winner as well. We had a friend who lost mobility at 88. He affixed longer handles on his tools and modified his garden to have wider paths so he could garden from a wheelchair.

We had not considered forearm crutches previously. They just seemed more unstable than underarm crutches. Lorrine's experience has us thinking about them.

S Greyzoll's post about presumptive MS and garden preps tracks like our friend above and just further supports us in our planning to tweak as much as possible here in preparation but still hoping it isn't needed.

Jennie Little's mention of changing door knobs to lever type makes sense to me. But, we're trying to keep the historical aspect to our house as well. Will have to consider.

Further, her mention of the
AARP Home Fit guide was terrific. I grabbed all the PDFs to help with our planning. Thanks for that. BTW, the link to those PDFs is:

https://www.aarp.org/livable-communities/info-2014/home-fit-resources-worksheets.html

Peter Ellis mentioned weight. John F Dean also commented. I was on the right path and am very active. But I have made some dumb choices in the last several months and gained 25-30 lbs. I need to address that.

We've also concentrated on getting rid of hazards. No lawn or house furniture with glass table tops. We see them everywhere for cheap. It took knowing just one person with numerous stitches for us to rule them out. We are gradually replacing all drawer and cabinet pulls with rounded pulls rather than anything with a point or sharpness that could create injury.

I do often wonder about ham radio. It's a lot of equipment and licensing as I remember.


Anne Miller wrote, "I recently suddenly turned to say something to the dog.  I lost my balance and fell into the gravel.  Dear hubby could not help me up and I could not put my weight onto my knees because the gravel dug into my knees.  DH said he was going to call 911.  I said no, just hand me a towel.  With the towel under my knees, I was able to get up."

"A towel is just about the most massively useful thing an interstellar hitchhiker can carry. " - Douglas Adams

 
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I may have a hack for the pricey/ugly purpose built toilet frame (provides arm rests to assist toilet seat landings and departures) that is completely free standing, and easily stowed.

One option (amazon: super impressed with Carex) is the multitude of elevated toilet seats, various heights, with and with out arms, $30-$60 CDN.

I have also discovered that removing the "legs and wheels" off the standard walker created a helpful frame for the toilet that was light weight and folded easily, compactly and discreetly. Simply unfold and place over toilet, before or after raising seat, open to the front, with the "bracing" between the arms pressed against the tank (or seat, if "up") and presto, a toilet frame.

Over time the height proved too tall, so I found a "youth" walker (without wheels, all 4 legs have crutch tips) that went as low as 25 inches, same width, slightly shorter "arms". It has proved to be a great alternative at $60 than the purpose made ones for double and quadruple the price. With a little foresight, one could be picked up for peanuts, tucked behind the door, and ready at a moments notice - as a walker OR toilet aid.
 
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echo minarosa

About a month or so ago we got a hospital bed from a friend. It was brand new, still in packaging. We are thrilled.

OK, seriously jealous here. Since it sounds as if you don't need it as a bed right now, consider that if you remove and carefully store the mattress, put a piece of plywood on top of the frame, you now have an easily raised and lowered work surface for cutting out fabric for sewing, or any other project where having an adjustable height work surface would help your back and shoulders! I read about it in a book a friend had and I think the concept is brilliant.
 
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Jay Angler wrote:OK, seriously jealous here. Since it sounds as if you don't need it as a bed right now, consider that if you remove and carefully store the mattress, put a piece of plywood on top of the frame, you now have an easily raised and lowered work surface for cutting out fabric for sewing, or any other project where having an adjustable height work surface would help your back and shoulders! I read about it in a book a friend had and I think the concept is brilliant.



We do not need it currently. We are preparing for probable future needs. While the bed was new, there was no mattress and we have yet to buy one. What you're suggesting was partially being considered for at least a storage surface while not needed. I like the work surface idea though. Thanks! BTW, do you remember what book that was?

Side note, if anyone is considering hospital beds as prep, hospital mattresses are not standard full sized mattresses. The difference seems to be 2-3 inches less in width for hospital sized mattresses.That means fewer options for mattresses. I have been unsuccessful in finding any detailed mattress comparisons and many of the manufacturers do not take consumer calls...Drive Medical being one. Their phone system is infuriating and the online chat was not helpful due to lack of usable info for making decisions. That said, if you sleep hot (I do) I have read in the past that the newer foam mattresses make sleep even hotter. There are mattress options with air bladders but that just seems like more to go wrong and unlikely to last. Some people have recommended a mattress topper. Several are about 3-4" high. I wonder if a 2-3" mattress topper on a hospital mattress makes using twin sized sheets possible? A Twin XL I think is the same length as a hospital bed sized mattress. As difficult as it is to get usable information, you'd think manufacturers would be more forthcoming on the customer service side of things. I even called all the local medical suppliers and got precious little info. C'est la vie!
 
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Echo, Mattress for hosp bed: Know any nurse friends, hospital workers? They might be your "in", or perhaps purchasing at the local hospital?
 
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We aren't in a rush for the mattress. Getting info to make the correct choice is difficult. We expect to purchase one but I am getting to the point where I think seeing a Bigfoot riding a unicorn will happen before I get to usable information on hospital mattresses.

It's one of a number of efforts on the future horizon. I pick them up from time to time. We are patient. With that patience comes opportunity as well. We are doing pretty well prepping for what may come. The likelihood of injury and sickness just increases with time.

I forgot to mention that those of you who moved outlets to 18" from the floor are brilliant. That isn't anything I'd ever considered until the minute I read your comments and those comments tracked immediately. I am definitely adding that to the planning list. In the end, most or all of the mods may not be needed. If it doesn't benefit us, it may benefit someone who comes along later. My brother thinks it is morbid to plan for death (wills), sickness, and even emergencies. This last year has softened his stance a wee bit.

 
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echo minarosa wrote:

We expect to purchase one but I am getting to the point where I think seeing a Bigfoot riding a unicorn will happen before I get to usable information on hospital mattresses.

There are permies members who have made their own mattresses and do so with non-toxic and biodegradable ingredients rather than foam that degrades just sitting there.
Just a thought to consider!
 
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Hi Echo,

I am in the process of adding a waist high outlet in each room.  
 
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I'm not an aging homesteader, but the daughter of some.

I have never heard the phrase 'aging in place' but my parents have seen how important that is. They had bought 20 acres about a 2 and a half hour drive away from their home around 5 years ago. After too many drives to and fro and countless comments from my mom about 'not having a husband' (because he was always at work or "at the farm"), they realized that was not going to work. There were also many discussions about whether they really wanted to retire in a town where they knew... nobody.

Needless to say, that property has been sold and they're in the process of buying land near by so they can stay where their support is. NOW they can really start their homesteading journey, in theirs 60s.

They've figured out how to use their new land as leverage to get guaranteed senior care as well- by offering my family to build on it.
Reality is, I'm probably the one most interested in permaculture and thus will be the main one running the homestead, but we all have our own unique skills and interests that we can bring to the homesteading table. :)
 
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@ Rebecca Blake - I am so glad they figured this out sooner rather than later. Friends of my mom's set out to build their "retirement dream" in the boonies of northern Ontario and they too were commuting while the built. One day when the wife was in town, she couldn't reach her husband. When she arrived, she found he had suffered a heart attack. There was *no* way she could live in a "not finished" house alone, and yet trying to sell a partially finished house for the money you've put into it is very difficult also. Traditionally they say about property - the 3 most important things are location, location and location. How far is a grocery store? How far is emerg? How far is the rest of your family? And as you identified, how will you meet and develop friendships with the locals?

As little as 200 years ago, the vast majority of humans were born, grew up and died without ever travelling further than 20 miles. Society was multi-aged small towns or villages with surrounding farm land. Everyone was interconnected. "Independence" has its place, but so does "interdependence".
 
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Hi Jay,

It amazes me how people often overlook the basics.  Even when I lived off an old logging road, I made certain I has access to a major highway, within a few miles, and access to everything you mention.  I can understand wanting to be more remote.  But the trade offs should not be overlooked. It needs be an informed decision that is carefully thought out.
 
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One of my dogs has figured out how to open lever handles. But you may be able to install them upside down. Still easy for humans but not for dogs.
 
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Upside down handles would be harder to open with your elbow when hands are full.
 
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With every adaptation, there are trade offs. What is gained in one aspect of life is often lost in another. I have see people who mounted plastic flaps over the lever handles to reduce pet access. Of course, those can come with their own problems.
 
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I just picked up an interesting idea from another thread.  A member recommended the Gardus SootEater Rotary Chimney Cleaning System.  It allows chimneys to be cleaned from inside the house, so no more climbing on the roof. Amazon has this for a tad over $44.00.  Credit for the idea goes to Pete Podurgiel.

https://www.amazon.com/vdp/cdd1122a32b44ab9965db1acce045a56?product=B0010H5JXA&ref=cm_sw_em_r_ib_dt_Yfv5ikV8DQVoB
 
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I've got a mentally challenged son that is very able bodied and is willing to work hard.  I'm hoping he'll be able to help me for quite some time.  When the time comes, I could always switch from freezer destined livestock to just a couple pasture ornaments to keep the grass down, buy my firewood, shrink my garden.  If I get to where I can't harvest my tree crops, I'd probably invite friends and family over to harvest, and if that isn't enough, advertise on craigslist.  
 I keep myself pretty busy hauling biomass and fine tuning things, but I designed the farm when I was working full time, so, if needed, I can get by doing very little.  Prior to the pandemic, we easily traveled for the majority of the summer, returning to a jungle of a garden, fat livestock, and taller trees.  All that was needed was a friendly neighbor to keep an eye on water and chicken feed.
 My grandfather let somebody else dig his potatoes for the first time this year at 87, so if I can do as well as he has, I'll be pretty happy!
 
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Hi Gray,

You opened this door, so I will invite myself in.  I have no idea as to your son's  level of functioning, but , from your comment, it seems to be reasonably high.  Have you considered having your son have his own account on Permies so he can work on PEP badges?  I am sure there is a work around to the issue of computer savvy if it is needed.

Second, have you taken measures regarding your son's future after your death?  
 
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While we wanted acreage, and still pine for it a bit, we are pretty much anchored now. The one thing about the small lot/urban trade off is that we have good access to emergency services, transportation, groceries, mail, etc. We also have great access to used goods which has made the meager budget go much further than it otherwise would. We also live at almost a center point to various members of our small family. There is no shortage of work to do on property whether it is attending to 130 years of building issues, making lawn an endangered species and setting up long-term systems for the gardens, critters, trade pathways, fixing items, etc. We have YEARS of work. I would like to be bored once in a while! ;)

One of the new items for our want list is a couple of those three wheeled bikes with a series of baskets for hauling. We saw someone with a fantastic bike trailer made of aluminum but when we saw the costs, it got pushed into the maybe one day list. They would be handy as hell though.
 
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Hi Echo,

Your home state is not known as grant heaven, but that does not mean not to try.  I would start looking for Grant's for those bikes.  Expect a lot of doors to slam shut before one opens. ....but then, you only need one to open
 
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I honestly had no idea there might be bike grants out there somewhere. Thanks.
 
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Hi Echo,

Here is your first lesson.  Not bike grant ..... transportation grant for the elderly.
 
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Good call. But I'm not elderly yet. Just laying the groundwork to be able to make changes as I go so it's not all waiting for me later. Same with house repairs, tearing up the yard and making it part of our system, etc.
 
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I got an email today announcing the NEW AARP home fit guide. Here: https://www.aarp.org/livable-communities/housing/info-2020/homefit-guide.html

Also, info about how to diminish falls here: https://www.parkinson.org/events/2020/Parkinsons-Foundation-AARP-November-Webinar

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I've looked at page 1 of this thread, will eventually get caught up.   Message #2 said:  "I'm on the approach path to 60".  Same.  I'm close to 60, and getting a bit depressed about what's going on with me.

Bad arthritis in my right knee, my doc said stop running/jogging.  Cease.  Forever.  Maybe initiated by jumping out of planes for a couple years, 20 years ago at Ft Bragg, I hit the ground pretty hard sometimes.  Irrelevant I guess now, how it all started.  I really liked participating in 5K fun runs, and the occasional 10K.  No more.  Now my knees sound like maracas as I ascend stairs, what is that??

I'm no longer bulletproof, and that depresses me.

Nowadays I twist my ankle hitting an unseen rut out on the pasture, I limp for a week or two.  I used to heal almost immediately, back when I was bulletproof.

I have to watch what I eat now.  McDonald's has this thing called the McRib.  OMG what a rush.  I remember vividly,  McRib was (and still is, I think) available for only 2 or 3 weeks at a time per year.  Dateline 1989: almost every day for three straight weeks, 2 McRibs for lunch, 3 for dinner.  Paradise.  Now, if I get *one*, a *single* McRib, I have to concentrate to ... uhhh, keep it in me, as my bod wants to reject and expel it.  It nauseates me.  Dammit.  I used to be able to eat absolutely *anything*.

I was an ox, I used to be able to lift things others couldn't, and carry from A to B.  Nope, no more.  I've become incredibly average.  

I'm forgetful now.  I used to be smart, now I need reminded of conversations I had the previous day.  

I'm saddened by what I'm able to accomplish nowadays, compared to my Ft Bragg days.  

I used to look good naked.  Now, I step out of the shower, glance at me in the mirror, the first thing that comes out is 'Eeewww."  2020 was year 4 that I left my t-shirt on when I and the family went to the beach.

I've been trying for years, I can't reverse this process!  Haven't yet reached the 'acceptance' phase.

Yet here I am now, a newb at Permies.  Still chugging along.

Good god, I need a drink.


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Gary I hope the best for you.  Everyone slows down.  I am only 46 and definitely know when I dig a swale by hand.  I think permaculture gives me a really good reason to keep going.  I get to learn something new every time I go out the door.  I think having a few animals to take care of gives me a reason to go out no matter what the weather is.  There is always something to do.  Having our own home grown food has tightened my family.  When I am sore this site is a nice comfortable place to talk.  
 
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At the risk of appearing like an aging prep nerd, my latest score was this off-road walker conversion kit...hopefully that means easier gardening should something happen to one of us.
I paid $3.00 new in box. It's not the all terrain 'rollator' mentioned by Lorrine (https://www.amazon.com/terrain-rollator/s?k=all+terrain+rollator), but at least gets us closer to it.



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Hi Echo,

My intent in creating this thread was to increase the awareness level of the options available.  Some of this  concern is from my career background and some from personal experience.  We had a 16 acre place when my dad stroked.  My mother immediately sold it and moved to town. It was a move she regretted making. By any means, your post certainly fits.
 
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Hi Gary,

Not to say I dont have moments of self-medicating but I am fascinated by the aging process.  So my point is there is a need to look over ones personal landscape and see what adaptations can be made to to make life easier.  My wife has far more problems than I do. We are taking a close look at a chair lift for our basement stairs and a walk in tub.  Those will be installed in the next 5 years. I am also looking at a way to cover part of our back deck and stairs to keep ice and snow off.  We dont rush out and make theses changes, but as repairs are made, we look for ways to keep our homestead functioning longer.
 
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echo minarosa wrote:At the risk of appearing like an aging prep nerd, my latest score was this off-road walker conversion kit...hopefully that means easier gardening should something happen to one of us.

People, just notice that true "off road" walkers have brakes on the wheels operated from the handles. "No brakes" may be fine in some settings, but could be a problem on a slope where the walker could start to go faster than the human operator!

The large wheels *will* be a huge asset on soft ground where a regular walker would tend to sink in. They will also go over things like gravel much better.

Please make sure a new user is supervised while getting the hang of anything new and different to them!
 
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Thanks. The brakes make a lot of sense. I'll still look for something like that. The range of walkers, accessories, etc is HUGE. I often don't know how much is marketing and what is truly useful as luckily, I've not had to use a walker yet.
 
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